[DomLuka] DD Ch 15!

[BoyNeedsTherapy]

Oh yes, it is up there!

[Trebs]

Arrrrgggghhhhh...

 

 

 

First - GREAT chapter, Dom. BUT, even though there wasn't a blatent cliffhanger, it STILL feels like one anyways. Sooooooo many things to wonder about...

[Bao]

NUUUUU!!!!. its getting stonger.... NUUU im losing to it.....its gona get me!!!!

[Ann]

*contented sigh.*

 

Apart from wondering impatiently what

[Alan]

...Aaron

Edited December 4, 2005 by Alan

[Ann]

I didn't realise Dom's given us a description of Aaron's parts, although it may explain the character's stunted sense of responsibility. I'll just have to give everything a much closer reading so I don't miss the minute details.

 

Perhaps I should have said, his role in the chapter?

 

I

[Philistine]

all i can really say is awwwww. that and i'm glad aaron played very little part in this chapter. the whole parents fighting things hits a little close to home, too. ugh. :wacko:

 

yet more lovely writing overall.

[Andronicus]

First: Forgive me if I repeat anything that someone else has already observed. I've only just found DD and the forum and so far I have only read the comments about the last few chapters. Also, please forgive the length of my first post. Don't feel obliged to read it if you like them short and snappy. Coming in late I have a lot of thoughts all at once. And DD is nothing if not thought-provoking.

 

Like a number of other commenters, I'm pretty sure that Luke has feelings for Rory, even though there hasn't been much for Luke to like yet. Rory is younger and naive and for a long time Luke thought he was straight. Any attraction so far would likely be physical or love-at-first-sight. Rory has to start doing something significant back for Luke (or anybody) before there can be much reason for an attraction based on character. So far, from the outside, Rory has been a zero, a brat or an object of sympathy. He hasn't done much for anybody else and complains bitterly when others don't do what he thinks they should do for him. He doesn't even much outwardly acknowledge it when other people do do what he thinks they should do for him (or more!), even if he acknowledges it inwardly. I don't suppose his old friends are missing him much either, if he has always been this self-absorbed. Has he loved anyone other than his mother? Why doesn't he have a support system outside his family? Perhaps this aspect of Rory is Dom's way of creating room for growth. It is sorely needed. Sure Rory has been through a lot, but so, clearly, has Luke. There doesn't seem to have been much to Rory before he went through a lot.

 

Luke seems to have abandoned unsubtle ways of attracting Rory's attention (which apparently (to him) weren't noticed or didn't get a response anyway) in favour of loving Rory in the very best sense of the word - really caring about him and putting Rory's welfare before his own. This is in stark contrast to Aaron's blatant, shameless manipulation of Rory. (My sympathies are definitely with the earlier commenter with the blunt spoon. That really did make me LOL.) I wonder if Luke suspects yet that Rory likes Aaron more than just as a friend. Luke strikes me as the kind of person who would try to hide his feelings if he thought it was better for Rory at the moment, and would go on trying to hide his feelings if he knew that Rory liked someone else, even Aaron. He might not be successful though, and probably at least partly doesn't want to be.

 

I think that Aaron still has it bad for Luke (was pleased to see a couple of other recent commenters agree), and he may have started off using Rory as an ill-conceived way to get back into Luke's life, even if only to hurt Luke if he can't have him. By the time Aaron figures out that he has more than superficial feelings for Rory it will be too late - Rory won't have him because he can't overcome the betrayal, even if he forgives it. If Aaron turns out to be a good guy in the end it will have to be a (too late?) transformation, because he has had plenty of time to set the story straight with respect to the stolen car but hasn't yet. An apology alone doesn't cut it when you have the power to set something right (in court and in public opinion) but don't. Perhaps there is a reason Aaron hasn't set the record straight, other than that he really is a little sh*t, but I doubt it. (Why only "little?" And I agree that "slut" isn't broad enough to describe what's wrong with Aaron. TLMP indeed.) There has been no hint that there might be a really good reason that would satisfy anyone other than Aaron. If there were one he would probably have told Rory by now. I'm with Luke: Aaron's apologies are empty and not worthy of any degree of reconciliation. I don't see how Aaron can seriously expect otherwise, unless his values are really screwed up. And I don't know why Rory is slow to see this. But then, I would have stopped giving Aaron the benefit of the doubt long ago.

 

For whatever reason, at the moment Aaron seems to be the kind of person so bent on his own ends that he has no idea how badly he is behaving. I don't think enlightenment will come in time for an unalloyed happy ending for Aaron. It makes me wonder what someone like Luke saw in him in the beginning. I guess Luke was naive once, too. His education came at a steep cost. Consciously or not, Aaron seems to have played Luke in the past like he is playing Rory now, and perhaps realised too late what he had then, too. Luke and his friends are right: Aaron hasn't changed much, at least not yet. Aaron may want to be better than he is, but if so he is failing miserably so far. I'll be the first one to be happy if Aaron is more complicated than this. Maybe he is trying to get it right with Rory, but just doesn't know how. I don't think that's all that's afoot, though.

 

Dom has redeemed a loser before, but I think that Aaron is basically as selfish as Luke is selfless. He'll likely get what's coming to him, but something tells me that Rory is going to be really hurt in the process, and a lot of it will be his own silly fault for being so passive and "easy." In the end I don't think even Seth will want Aaron, although at the moment they seem to deserve each other. Perhaps Seth is the candidate for redemption in this story, and Rory will somehow be the agent of it. In this respect, even Rory's initial (justified) dislike of Seth has a precedent in TLW. (Haven't read TOU yet.) Of course, we don't really know enough for sure yet to know that Seth needs to be redeemed. Lots of fog, little concrete substance.

 

When Rory comes to his senses re. Aaron he isn't going to find it easy to turn to Luke, because there are still major things that Luke isn't telling Rory, which has proven something of a trigger for Rory's hostility - especially if he learns from someone else what Luke is withholding. Ultimately, though, I think Rory will understand and "forgive," as he has done with Eddie. Although strictly speaking I don't think there is anything to forgive, as Luke doesn't owe Rory the kind of disclosure that Rory seems to expect. Not yet. Hopefully Rory will grow up enough to realise this and be present enough for Luke to deserve that sort of disclosure. In fact, hopefully Rory will grow up before he messes up (or Aaron messes him up) so badly that Luke is perhaps turned off for good. (Would Dom do that? If he did and there were no resolution it would be a downer of an ending, so probably not.)

 

There is always the possibility that Rory will finally focus his interest (deservedly) on Luke only to find out that his love can't be requited because Luke has only ever been interested in friendship. IMHO, unless Rory pulls his finger out and develops a more active sensitivity to other people's concerns, that would be a smart move on Luke's part.

 

Like Aaron's secrets, Luke's secrets frustrate and fascinate me. I want to know the source of his goodness and his more mature understanding of love (that it's more than attraction and lust) and of friendship, given the painful circumstances hinted at before he came to Jase. (Was his father responsible for his mother's death?) It seems to me there must be more to it than Jase and Eddie's influence, especially as they seem to be fumbling Rory so far. Or is it Luke's primary connection to Jase, even though Luke has described Eddie as having the father-figure role? What we've been told of Jase seems to indicate that he is pretty sound and mature. (I'd be ticked with Eddie, too.)

 

I haven't a clue yet why Alice would delay giving Rory his mother's package. I don't think she's evil, though. What's in the unopened birthday present? My prediction is that it's a journal or diary that gives Rory insight into his mother's relationship with Eddie and what Eddie was like as a younger man, not much older than Rory.

 

I want answers, dammit, but each chapter just raises new questions. Based on the other comments I've read, this is par for the course around here. Argh! (NTS, well done so far, Dom.)

 

Edited December 4, 2005 by Andronicus

[JamesSavik]

the Title of the chapter was Nailed which lead to a particulary interesting misconception on my part.

[The Journeyman]

I'm waiting for Jase to step forward. He started to here in this chapter, and I hope he's ready to break through. We don't know a whole lot about Jase yet, but I'm still convinced he loves Rory more than everyone (NOT in that way, pervs) in the story. I think he has a deep understanding of Rory and Rory's pain, confusion and distraction. I also think he loves Eddie so much more than Dom is letting us see yet. He is arguing with Eddie, I think, to get Eddie to be a better father. Jase is just waiting to step forward and help Rory, but he doesn't want to do it until Eddie becomes more assertive as a father; Jase doesn't want to usurp the father role. But I think he's just about done waiting for Eddie, and if Eddie doesn't do something soon, Jase will. Of all the characters here, Jase is the most enigmatic. I think he wants he and Eddie to be Rory's dads, but he wants Eddie to take the first step.

 

More fun!

 

The Journeyman

[pep]

I'm waiting for Jase to step forward. He started to here in this chapter, and I hope he's ready to break through. We don't know a whole lot about Jase yet, but I'm still convinced he loves Rory more than everyone (NOT in that way, pervs) in the story. I think he has a deep understanding of Rory and Rory's pain, confusion and distraction. I also think he loves Eddie so much more than Dom is letting us see yet. He is arguing with Eddie, I think, to get Eddie to be a better father. Jase is just waiting to step forward and help Rory, but he doesn't want to do it until Eddie becomes more assertive as a father; Jase doesn't want to usurp the father role. But I think he's just about done waiting for Eddie, and if Eddie doesn't do something soon, Jase will. Of all the characters here, Jase is the most enigmatic. I think he wants he and Eddie to be Rory's dads, but he wants Eddie to take the first step.

 

More fun!

 

The Journeyman

 

 

I agree, wasn't it mentionned in one of the first chapters that Jase was a psychiatrist? So he should know how disrupting things can be when you experience the things Rory had to get through.

 

But the emotions Rory has to endure doesn't give him the right to act the way he has. Maybe it is time that Jase and Rory have a talk, because now Rory doesn't know Jase very well and it is my impression that he is affraid of Jase. As mentionned more then once, he thinks Jase doesn't want him there. a man to man talk might clear things up between those two.

 

The fact that both Eddie and Jase came in to check an Rory makes me conclude that everything is almost back to normal between Jase and Eddie. That will be one thing less to worry about for Rory.

 

 

We just have to wait and see how Dom twist around in the next chapters .

[sat8997]

Hey....Who left the door open and let the overly analytical guys just wander in????

 

Sharon

(It's snowing - I hate snow)

[NaperVic]

Something that's been eating at me since I read Ch 15.

 

With Luke coming into the room... pillow in hand, Why TF didn't Rory invite Luke to sleep in the bed?

 

"That floors too hard, come sleep on the bed, there's plenty of room Luke."

 

I mean, in TLW Aiden slept over at Ryan's all the time, it didn't mean anything when Aiden slept in Owen's bed, right?

 

Vic the Domaholic

[Bao]

it could be carpeted. i like carpet over a bed sometimes lol.

[Tim the Traveller]

Hey....Who left the door open and let the overly analytical guys just wander in????

 

Sharon

(It's snowing - I hate snow)

ok heres something strange--i love snow but hate the cold--any1 got any solutions to a problem like that??

 

it could be carpeted. i like carpet over a bed sometimes lol.

yes but carpet just leads to carpet burn

[Philistine]

Something that's been eating at me since I read Ch 15.

 

With Luke coming into the room... pillow in hand, Why TF didn't Rory invite Luke to sleep in the bed?

 

my thoughts exactly! i was wondering wtf was wrong with him. that's totally the first thing i'd think to say in that situation.

[rknapp]

ok heres something strange--i love snow but hate the cold--any1 got any solutions to a problem like that??

 

 

How about hating snow and hating cold, but absolutely LOVING snowboarding, especially after several serious wipouts over the past three years that forced me to replace a binding or two.... explain that! LOL

 

yes but carpet just leads to carpet burn

 

Tim's a slut!

 

 

Something that's been eating at me since I read Ch 15.

 

With Luke coming into the room... pillow in hand, Why TF didn't Rory invite Luke to sleep in the bed?

 

"That floors too hard, come sleep on the bed, there's plenty of room Luke."

 

I mean, in TLW Aiden slept over at Ryan's all the time, it didn't mean anything when Aiden slept in Owen's bed, right? tongue.gif

 

Vic the Domaholic

 

Part of the reason for that is the difference in the relationships between Rory and Luke, and Owen and Aiden. O/A are dating, whereas R/L are friends living in the same house whose dad/cousin (respectively) are dating. Might be a little bit weird but perhaps in time a reservation like that can be discovered, analized, overcome, forgotten, and never looked back at. That said, I was thinking the exact same thing Vic I guess dirty minds think alike. (Who mentioned the nailed thing? Yeah me too )

 

Philistine: I'm far too shy to say something like that to someone I consider attractive, even when I know they are gay and are single.

 

 

Hey....Who left the door open and let the overly analytical guys just wander in???? guitar.gif

 

Sharon

(It's snowing - I hate snow)

 

1) There was a door? WHERE?!

2) South Jersey got some inches last night too. It was interesting walking to the student restaurant as it was coming down with a guy from Wildwood, where it apparently almost never snows. He was like a kid in a candy shop (being from North Jersey, I was more surprised a snowfall like this hadn't happened sooner). It was more interesting when we finished eating, then made some snowballs from the snow on his car and threw them at our CA's window

[AFriendlyFace]

Something that's been eating at me since I read Ch 15.

 

With Luke coming into the room... pillow in hand, Why TF didn't Rory invite Luke to sleep in the bed?

 

"That floors too hard, come sleep on the bed, there's plenty of room Luke."

 

I mean, in TLW Aiden slept over at Ryan's all the time, it didn't mean anything when Aiden slept in Owen's bed, right?

 

Vic the Domaholic

 

I agree too Vic, I kept expecting Rory to invite Luke to bed. I DIDN'T expect anything to happen, nor do I think it should at this point while Rory is still with Aaron and Luke and Rory haven't talked about their feelings....but it did almost seem like the "polite" thing to do. On the other hand I'm guessing perhaps Rory didn't because after all he is seeing Aaron, and it probably really would be inappropriate for him to share his bed with another gay guy while in a different relationship, even if nothing did happen.

[Tim the Traveller]

1) There was a door? WHERE?!

2) South Jersey got some inches last night too. It was interesting walking to the student restaurant as it was coming down with a guy from Wildwood, where it apparently almost never snows. He was like a kid in a candy shop (being from North Jersey, I was more surprised a snowfall like this hadn't happened sooner). It was more interesting when we finished eating, then made some snowballs from the snow on his car and threw them at our CA's window

 

 

reminds me of last christmas-- I went from cold wisconsin to deep south texas(from dallas about 8.5 hours south) to where it NEVER snows. on christmas morning we woke up to 2 inches of snow on the ground. it was just an awesome sight to see because it was the first time in 109 years that it had snowed in the rio grande valley. all the kids, parents and grandparents were all out playing in the snow because they had never seen it before. there were miniature snowmen everywhere and it was just hilarious to see grandparents having snowball fights with the kids. that and the fact that palm trees were covered in snow--you just dont see that everyday. it melted by noon on christmas day but i'll remember that christmas forever

 

Tim's a slut!

 

that depends--would a slut try to sell his cherry on ebay???

Edited December 8, 2005 by Tim the Slut