Thank you!

 

Brilliantly said Tim!

Spot on, my friend. Yours is the outlook and attitude we all need...

You speak a great truth here. There are limits to identity politics, it seems, when one must actually conceive of solutions to the ills that plague us. Well spoken, Tim.

Tim, you are lucky the female crowd is strongly outnumbered here... I'll post some more thoughts in a while, but I have to go back to packing.

Tim, you are lucky the female crowd is strongly outnumbered here... I'll post some more thoughts in a while, but I have to go back to packing.

Yes I know and I know women are in poverty around the world and we need to help them. I have no doubt about it, but I still say, while we are doing the right thing for them and the millions of kids in poverty too, why can't we attempt to fix it all. 

 

I'm not down with women, or think they don't need help. But personally, i think if we're gonna fix things, then fix them for everyone. Idealistic maybe, but it's what I think. 

I put this in the Good News thread, but I wanted to share it here as well. 

 

Michigan couple wins years worth of free pizza; donates the lot to a homeless youth shelter

 

It may not be for everyone, but it helps

It's wonderful. Thanks for sharing it here Reader. 

An old saying "Give a man a fish, he'll eat for a day. Teach a man to fish, he'll eat for a lifetime." That is the idea behind bringing women and children out of poverty. is that by changing the hidden backbone of society, we change society.

 

However, I do believe that "us versus them" needs to stop. WE are all human.

Tim, I agree with most of what you say and your aim of equality of treatment  for everyone regardless of gender, race etc is an ideal sadly lacking on this planet of ours.

Bur are you saying inequality should be approached as 'all or nothing'?

I think it's such a vast problem that it will never be fixed in one great clean sweep and any progress will have to occur bit by little bit.

If they had said let's help poor kids or parents rather than poor women, it might have felt more equal.

I also think it's a matter of finding something donors will relate to or identify with, and maybe a mother and her child(ren) is an easy 'sell.'

When I donate to charity I like to give to very specific projects like 'access to clean water for villages in developing countries' or schools or kids in a disaster area. Donating to 'the poor' in general does not appeal as much.

But you have some very good points about the way humans like to divide other people.

Tim, I agree with most of what you say and your aim of equality of treatment for everyone regardless of gender, race etc is an ideal sadly lacking on this planet of ours.

Bur are you saying inequality should be approached as 'all or nothing'?

I think it's such a vast problem that it will never be fixed in one great clean sweep and any progress will have to occur bit by little bit.

I think we spend a lot of time bashing one group or another, rather than trying to fix what's broken together. You're right that progress will be slow, but I'll take slow over nothing. I know there are no quick fixes.

Tim, I agree whole heartedly but we do have to start somewhere.

 

 

Lux, I am not sure why you think we ladies would take offence to Tim's words. They may be a tad idealistic, but they are definitely on the right track.

Tim, I agree whole heartedly but we do have to start somewhere.

 

 

Lux, I am not sure why you think we ladies would take offence to Tim's words. They may be a tad idealistic, but they are definitely on the right track.

I agree we do and if we want to start with women and kids lets but lets just stop making it sound like one group are more important than the other.

 

Lets say, we're starting here but we want everyone out of poverty. I can support that no problem. 

 

And thank you, Kitt!!