Altimexis Posted June 23, 2006 Share Posted June 23, 2006 I never saw the Bush pardon - that was great. What a wonderful ending. And very, very Link to comment
LittleBuddhaTW Posted June 23, 2006 Share Posted June 23, 2006 All I can say is ... WOW! What a ride ... and what an ending! Thank you so much, Dan!!! *Hugz* Buddha Link to comment
old bob Posted June 23, 2006 Share Posted June 23, 2006 Wow, wow, wow ... "Far too often in the history of this great nation, its leaders have forgotten our true purpose for being here, they have forgotten the words of the oath I just swore, and the oaths they have sworn as well. We are not here to make ourselves rich, or to do whatever it takes for us to stay in power for another two years, four years, or six years. We are here to protect and defend the Constitution of this great country, and to serve its people. " This is the best I found in all DIR. When I red it, I had to stand in respect of these words. All candidates to the presidency 2008 should read it and agree openly with it Link to comment
C James Posted June 23, 2006 Share Posted June 23, 2006 This was spectacular, no two ways about it. What an awesome finish! I really loved the insider's look at the final push before an election, and the election day itself. It was really well done, and to me powerfully conveyed the frenzy, and above all the dedication of the people who make our elections work. I began reading the aforementioned part of the story, fixated on the question of "where, exactly, is Davey, and what has happened?" However, by the time I'd reached the end of that, I was so intrigued that I did a double-take when Davey's location was alluded to. That was very well done indeed!! There is so much here that I want to discuss, but I'm about to keel over from lack of sleep, so I'll teturn to this later. I was left with one lingering question: (Spoiler blackout used below: highlight it to see the text) WHY did Bush pardon Davey? My interpretation is that Davey's father made arrangements behind the scenes, and that this was alluded to in the Oval Office conversation. The story is from Davey's point of view, and Davey would be very unlikely to know the details, hence neither do we. Did others get that impression too? Or did I miss something here? I promised yesterday that I wasn't going to read Ch 17 until I finished a project I'm working on, but although a chapter will "keep" this conversation won't, so after working on the project all through the night I did read Ch.17 (the long hours without sleep are why I'm even less cohenrent than usual in this post). I didn't want to miss out on any of the grand finale of the DO series. It's been one hell of a ride! Just like any other great novel or trilogy, I really hated to see it end. However, i don't think it's possible for it to have ended better. Thank you DK, for all the many times that this series has allowed me escape from my own tribulations, and for writing one of the finest stories I've ever seen. Link to comment
NaperVic Posted June 23, 2006 Share Posted June 23, 2006 I can't believe it's all over, but it was a nice ending. ...Grandma Alice got married last week and is on her honeymoon, ... Is this the Grandma Alice, from Dessert Dropping?? Thanks Dan for the entire DO trilogy! Vic Link to comment
dkstories Posted June 23, 2006 Share Posted June 23, 2006 I was wondering who would notice that line. Link to comment
Dark Star Posted June 24, 2006 Share Posted June 24, 2006 Dan I just want to take a moment along with everyone else to say Well Done! I have loved all three stories in this series and my only regret is that they are sadly over but this latest one went out superbly. It was a wonderful ending to a wonderful series and while I am sad to see them go I also eagerly await your other projects. Take care and keep it up Link to comment
C James Posted June 24, 2006 Share Posted June 24, 2006 Been as no one has mentioned this yet, I will: DK left us with at least TWO BIG MYSTERIES The first is WHY, exactly, did Bush pardon Davey? It's definitly odd. It does not appear to be Davey's Father's doing (behind the scenes deal) so why would Bush pardon the guy who just torpedoed his re-election bid? The second question is what was Cheney pardoned for? Link to comment
brax Posted June 25, 2006 Share Posted June 25, 2006 definitely a great ending to a great story.. i dont think i could have handled an ending that hadn't happened this way... Beautiful... Hopefully danny boy will put this out as a book soon so i can buy it... I'd buy like 5 copies... haha... Link to comment
Demetz Posted June 25, 2006 Share Posted June 25, 2006 You ended it with porn! Great Job, Dan! As happy an ending as I could have hoped for. Link to comment
EMoe57 Posted June 25, 2006 Share Posted June 25, 2006 The first is WHY, exactly, did Bush pardon Davey? It's definitly odd. It does not appear to be Davey's Father's doing (behind the scenes deal) so why would Bush pardon the guy who just torpedoed his re-election bid? How about this idea: Bush realizes there is no benefit now in punishing Davey for his own mistakes pardons Davey in hopes of putting this all behind them. Here's the paragraph from chapter 17 that I got this idea from Conspiracy theorists of the original timeline had put forward the idea that the Bush Administration had known about 9/11 and let it happen. In this timeline, that was something made even stronger by the revelation of the information I had released, but the sad truth remained that they had just not paid attention to the warning signs available to them. They had thought the warnings were an attempt to move them off their agenda, nothing more than a distraction, and now they had paid a price for that hubris. Just to be clear, I am not now, nor have I ever been a supported of the Bush family (including the one who is govenor of my state), but I believe President Bush (both fictional and real) ISN'T a bad man. I don't think he plots to destroy people like some villan in a movie. I think he's just made some decisions that have turned out to be tragically flawed. Whether that is because he doesn't have the brains to be President or he has surrounded himself with advisors that led him down the wrong path is unclear. In the end, he too must live with himself and the decisions he's made. Could he have lived with leaving Davey in prison knowing his only crime was doing the right thing? I choose to believe he could not and so Davey quietly gets a pardon. The second question is what was Cheney pardoned for? I was wondering that myself... You ended it with porn! aint nothin' wrong with THAT! Link to comment
C James Posted June 25, 2006 Share Posted June 25, 2006 (edited) The first is WHY, exactly, did Bush pardon Davey? It's definitely odd. It does not appear to be Davey's Father's doing (behind the scenes deal) so why would Bush pardon the guy who just torpedoed his re-election bid? The second question is what was Cheney pardoned for? How about this idea: Bush realizes there is no benefit now in punishing Davey for his own mistakes pardons Davey in hopes of putting this all behind them. Here's the paragraph from chapter 17 that I got this idea from Conspiracy theorists of the original timeline had put forward the idea that the Bush Administration had known about 9/11 and let it happen. In this timeline, that was something made even stronger by the revelation of the information I had released, but the sad truth remained that they had just not paid attention to the warning signs available to them. They had thought the warnings were an attempt to move them off their agenda, nothing more than a distraction, and now they had paid a price for that hubris. Just to be clear, I am not now, nor have I ever been a supported of the Bush family (including the one who is govenor of my state), but I believe President Bush (both fictional and real) ISN'T a bad man. I don't think he plots to destroy people like some villan in a movie. I think he's just made some decisions that have turned out to be tragically flawed. Whether that is because he doesn't have the brains to be President or he has surrounded himself with advisors that led him down the wrong path is unclear. In the end, he too must live with himself and the decisions he's made. Could he have lived with leaving Davey in prison knowing his only crime was doing the right thing? I choose to believe he could not and so Davey quietly gets a pardon. That is a very interesting theory. I like it! It certainly would mesh with my own theory: That the story is from Davey's point of view, and Davey himself would be unlikely to know the reasons behind the pardon, so it's not in the text. Hmmmm... Another spin on what you proposed above might be the additional factor of "legacy", a last act to make the public happy and try and preserve some good image for his administration. He had just lost by an unprecedented landslide, and the pardon might help remove the taint of scandal. Or, it could be analogous to what happened at the end of the Clinton administration: An equally large flurry of pardons, many so inexplicable that they sparked no end of speculation as to their motives. And in that case, the reasoning was never revealed, either, then or in the time since. My hunch on Cheney would be the Palme leak case: A pardon can be to pre-empt possible future charges, and that would fit here. I hope DK will weigh in on these questions (the other one being Cheney's pardon) at some point. I'd love to know the reasoning behind all this. I also loved the way the story ended with the conversation interspersed with a sex scene, especially the "do it right". That was fantastic, and also darn hot! Speaking of conspiracy theories.. Let me float my own... First, the following text, from Davey's oval office discussion with his father: Edited June 25, 2006 by C James Link to comment
old bob Posted June 25, 2006 Share Posted June 25, 2006 (edited) DK, quite a while back, DK mentioned something about a plot idea involving a college campus that was sent back in time, and I'm wondering if Davey and Brian's kids are the new time-travelers. Hi James and all the other prophets... Oh how I like the idea. A new time-traveling...Please, please Dan, do it (right) Edited June 25, 2006 by old bob Link to comment
EMoe57 Posted June 26, 2006 Share Posted June 26, 2006 Quite a while back, DK mentioned something about a plot idea involving a college campus that was sent back in time, and I'm wondering if Davey and Brian's kids are the new time-travelers. Dan, do it (right) Reading your posts, this title came to mind: Do Us! Link to comment
C James Posted June 26, 2006 Share Posted June 26, 2006 Reading your posts, this title came to mind: Do Us! What about "Do Us, but Do It Right (and often)"? That would fit a college story in so many ways... Link to comment
Rad Posted June 26, 2006 Share Posted June 26, 2006 So ends Do Over trilogy...... THANKS DAN! For giving us such a great story that spanned really great timelines and plots. I still remember the Davey and brian of first and second timeline. But I gotta admit that the third one is the best. Because they overcome many differences together and prolly because of what happened at the end...wow, Davey Sr. President?? GREAT! Okay, at first i was kinda frustrated because you jumped-off timelines, something you didn't do on the previous Do Overs but well....if you hadn't, probably we're still int he 80's right now There were several times in this story that made me cringed. The death of of AIDS was one. I really thought he'd go on living...that's very sad because on the previous chapter he was still okay. Aaaaaaahhhhh, davey and brian.....I always consider Do Over as the story of brian and davey against the background of high politics, thank you for keeping that right to the end. I really enjoy reading about their love, relationship and troubles. Hehehehehe, the first time they saw each other, the first tentative flirts and advances. He always make Brian goes first. lol! Oh, I consider it one of the highlights of the series : whenver Brian asked Davey to be his boyfreind. Always... Sean.....well, I really didn't foresee him returning, but was glad nonetheless...because he pretty much brought the whole gay-bashing to the front. His paents and the bigots, Dr. Darnell and the school Bible CLub, even if it's not as extensive as in the first chapter. whew! The first one really pumped me. All the statements and counter-statements by bigots and davey But in the end I always returned to Brian and Davey.....Unlike in the first do over, this time line really having more focus on Davey and brian's relationship (at least I feel so). BTW why did you place Brian's p.o.v only once? B&D, their childhood love, growninto mature one. The problems they overcome together.....without brian Davey's a wreck, like what happened to Do Over 2. Gotta admit though, the having-kids part really surprised me. I thought it'd be years until they'd gottent heir own kids. But they're cute lol! Little davey and Brian It'd be sad to see this story ending, but I never regret the day I read Do Over for the first time...... Thanks again dan for making this wonderful story! Three cheeers for dkstories! Three cheers for Davey & Brian! Three cheers for Do Overs! Cheers & be well, Rad Link to comment
Rigel Posted June 29, 2006 Share Posted June 29, 2006 Great ending to a great story. I'm sad it's all over and there are no further chapters to anticipate, but I've spent the last day since actually reading it in the sort of bliss that takes over post-coitus. It's been a long and wonderful ride. --Rigel Link to comment
C James Posted July 5, 2006 Share Posted July 5, 2006 I think it only really hit me this weekend (the first without a new chapter of the DO series) that it's really over. It was superb, and one heck of a ride. I especially loved the way the characters (particularly Davey and his Father) changed. Link to comment
canundra Posted February 21, 2007 Share Posted February 21, 2007 Aah. Thank you for such a beautiful story. I don't regret continuing the Do Over series after reading DO, even after lots of hesitation on my part in the beginning. While I was reading the last chapter, I kept thinking to myself, "If the story of Davey and Brian doesn't end happily ever after, I'll throw a fit." I let go of a big sigh of relief as soon as I read the last lines. Thank you for this. I'm almost afraid of reading Let's Do It. You are an awesome author, DK. Keep it up Link to comment
Conner365 Posted February 23, 2007 Share Posted February 23, 2007 You are an awesome author, DK. Keep it up I second that! It is nice and heart warming to see Brian go through this from his side. You are brilliant! And the fact that you are doing this for us, the readers, shows that you really do care. My greatest fear stems from someday that there might be a final chapter to the series, and no more sequels. I hope not, your do-over series have helped me alot in many ways. I carry them with me in my pda, and sometimes pull up sections to read during difficult times. Thanks again Link to comment
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