1 hour ago, William King said:

It's like walking on eggshells here. Okay, maybe weird was a wrong choice of word. But the point is - if the Dom dictated everything - and you answered it yourself tim - i defer to Michael in most things. So excuse me for labouring the point, but most things is not everything. 

 

 

Unfortunately, it is a touchy subject, William. For those of us in the Life, it's common to feel misunderstood and be judged according to those misconceptions. "Weird" is but one word too often associated with how we live. Therefore, open dialogue is encouraged, so long as judgements are left at the door. Thank you for wanting to be a part of the discussion. Education is important in all aspects. 

2 hours ago, William King said:

It's like walking on eggshells here. Okay, maybe weird was a wrong choice of word. But the point is - if the Dom dictated everything - and you answered it yourself tim - i defer to Michael in most things. So excuse me for labouring the point, but most things is not everything. 

 

 

I think you will find how we live is not in the majority in any way, Mr. King. You are labouring the point, as you wish to be right, and you are not. As @MacGreg says, education is required. I shall endeavor to give you a small lesson. Perhaps some insight will help.  

tim is my boy, he does as I say, follows my rules, wears what I tell him to, goes to bed when I say so, he is disciplined if he veers from the course I set, or if he does wrong. I do not yet see the need to tell tim what to select for breakfast. I could, but choose not to. While tim gives me this much control, I recognize he is a human being, a loving and special one. Some things I can leave to him to choose, which is why he said he defers to me in most things. 

If tim is unhappy with the clothes I gave him to wear, he is welcome to approach me and ask to change. I may say yes or no to the request. Recently I'd decided tim should have two more piercings. he asked me to reconsider one of them. I said no. he accepted my decision, and has had the procedure. he is happy with the choice I made, even though he was unsure. I was sure, and he trusted in my decision. 

Why would a person choose to live this way? The answer is simple,  my dominance makes him feel safe. He knows I will protect him, love him, and give him what he needs and desires. he trusts me. 

D/s does not always include pain. Many D/s couples do not use it in anyway. Our life does includes physical restraints, and discipline, because it is what we both want and tim needs. he needs it for a number of reasons.

We are in many ways like others, we laugh a lot, enjoy each other, share a love of film, sports, family and friends. 

tim admitted to being a gay submissive man on GA, after I had come on here myself and then gave him permission. This brought forward a number of others who never felt comfortable sharing their truth. I am proud of them all, and they all have my support and protection, as best as I can offer it online. 

Lesson over, Mr. King. 

9 minutes ago, MichaelS36 said:

I think you will find how we live is not in the majority in any way, Mr. King. You are labouring the point, as you wish to be right, and you are not. As @MacGreg says, education is required. I shall endeavor to give you a small lesson. Perhaps some insight will help.  

 

tim is my boy, he does as I say, follows my rules, wears what I tell him to, goes to bed when I say so, he is disciplined if he veers from the course I set, or if he does wrong. I do not yet see the need to tell tim what to select for breakfast. I could, but choose not to. While tim gives me this much control, I recognize he is a human being, a loving and special one. Some things I can leave to him to choose, which is why he said he defers to me in most things. 

 

If tim is unhappy with the clothes I gave him to wear, he is welcome to approach me and ask to change. I may say yes or no to the request. Recently I'd decided tim should have two more piercings. he asked me to reconsider one of them. I said no. he accepted my decision, and has had the procedure. he is happy with the choice I made, even though he was unsure. I was sure, and he trusted in my decision. 

 

Why would a person choose to live this way? The answer is simple,  my dominance makes him feel safe. He knows I will protect him, love him, and give him what he needs and desires. he trusts me. 

 

D/s does not always include pain. Many D/s couples do not use it in anyway. Our life does includes physical restraints, and discipline, because it is what we both want and tim needs. he needs it for a number of reasons.

 

We are in many ways like others, we laugh a lot, enjoy each other, share a love of film, sports, family and friends. 

 

tim admitted to being a gay submissive man on GA, after I had come on here myself and then gave him permission. This brought forward a number of others who never felt comfortable sharing their truth. I am proud of them all, and they all have my support and protection, as best as I can offer it online. 

 

Lesson over, Mr. King. 

Sir 

3 minutes ago, mollyhousemouse said:

Sir 

you're welcome, sweet molly 

1 hour ago, MichaelS36 said:

I think you will find how we live is not in the majority in any way, Mr. King. You are labouring the point, as you wish to be right, and you are not. As @MacGreg says, education is required. I shall endeavor to give you a small lesson. Perhaps some insight will help.  

thank you for this, Michael

2 hours ago, MichaelS36 said:

I think you will find how we live is not in the majority in any way, Mr. King. You are labouring the point, as you wish to be right, and you are not. As @MacGreg says, education is required. I shall endeavor to give you a small lesson. Perhaps some insight will help.  

 

tim is my boy, he does as I say, follows my rules, wears what I tell him to, goes to bed when I say so, he is disciplined if he veers from the course I set, or if he does wrong. I do not yet see the need to tell tim what to select for breakfast. I could, but choose not to. While tim gives me this much control, I recognize he is a human being, a loving and special one. Some things I can leave to him to choose, which is why he said he defers to me in most things. 

 

If tim is unhappy with the clothes I gave him to wear, he is welcome to approach me and ask to change. I may say yes or no to the request. Recently I'd decided tim should have two more piercings. he asked me to reconsider one of them. I said no. he accepted my decision, and has had the procedure. he is happy with the choice I made, even though he was unsure. I was sure, and he trusted in my decision. 

 

Why would a person choose to live this way? The answer is simple,  my dominance makes him feel safe. He knows I will protect him, love him, and give him what he needs and desires. he trusts me. 

 

D/s does not always include pain. Many D/s couples do not use it in anyway. Our life does includes physical restraints, and discipline, because it is what we both want and tim needs. he needs it for a number of reasons.

 

We are in many ways like others, we laugh a lot, enjoy each other, share a love of film, sports, family and friends. 

 

tim admitted to being a gay submissive man on GA, after I had come on here myself and then gave him permission. This brought forward a number of others who never felt comfortable sharing their truth. I am proud of them all, and they all have my support and protection, as best as I can offer it online. 

 

Lesson over, Mr. King. 

Thank you Michael Sir. With the support of Mac Sir and you, this boy has found a safe and loving community. Not only do I have the security and protection at home from Sir. I can come here and be me, with the support of wonderful Sirs' and sub family.

6 minutes ago, BlindAmbition said:

Thank you Michael Sir. With the support of Mac Sir and you, this boy has found a safe and loving community. Not only do I have the security and protection at home from Sir. I can come here and be me, with the support of wonderful Sirs' and sub family.

i hope you know jp, i'll always support you, even if i'm not a part of your Sirs/sub family 

1 minute ago, Reader1810 said:

That goes for me too, JP. I may not be a part of the D/s life, but I respect all of you - you all know who you are - and consider you my friends.  

Thank you Reader. You show that everyday. I didn't mean to leave GA family out.  In life D/s community learns to shelter things from people. Due to being misunderstood. I feel free to be 100% me on here.

2 minutes ago, Reader1810 said:

I know you weren't leaving anyone out, JP. I was just making my position crystal clear, is all. 

I'd never want my favorite bookworm not to be close. 🤗

4 hours ago, MichaelS36 said:

I think you will find how we live is not in the majority in any way, Mr. King. You are labouring the point, as you wish to be right, and you are not. As @MacGreg says, education is required. I shall endeavor to give you a small lesson. Perhaps some insight will help.  

 

tim is my boy, he does as I say, follows my rules, wears what I tell him to, goes to bed when I say so, he is disciplined if he veers from the course I set, or if he does wrong. I do not yet see the need to tell tim what to select for breakfast. I could, but choose not to. While tim gives me this much control, I recognize he is a human being, a loving and special one. Some things I can leave to him to choose, which is why he said he defers to me in most things. 

 

If tim is unhappy with the clothes I gave him to wear, he is welcome to approach me and ask to change. I may say yes or no to the request. Recently I'd decided tim should have two more piercings. he asked me to reconsider one of them. I said no. he accepted my decision, and has had the procedure. he is happy with the choice I made, even though he was unsure. I was sure, and he trusted in my decision. 

 

Why would a person choose to live this way? The answer is simple,  my dominance makes him feel safe. He knows I will protect him, love him, and give him what he needs and desires. he trusts me. 

 

D/s does not always include pain. Many D/s couples do not use it in anyway. Our life does includes physical restraints, and discipline, because it is what we both want and tim needs. he needs it for a number of reasons.

 

We are in many ways like others, we laugh a lot, enjoy each other, share a love of film, sports, family and friends. 

 

tim admitted to being a gay submissive man on GA, after I had come on here myself and then gave him permission. This brought forward a number of others who never felt comfortable sharing their truth. I am proud of them all, and they all have my support and protection, as best as I can offer it online. 

 

Lesson over, Mr. King. 

As molly said, Sir.

3 hours ago, Renee Stevens said:

 

As molly said, Sir.

Thank you, my girl

@William King you may not see this but i wanted to respond to this last post. when you said that Mike didn't answer your question, i went back and read the whole thread. the thing is, Mike and tim both answered your question,as did Mac to some degree. it was you who failed to want to understand the answer. to me, your posts read of judgement, even though you say your not. judgmental. i do not like when people assume my reaction to things. 

1 hour ago, William King said:

I will not take any further part in this group discussion, you have your clique of supporters, and there is no real debate or question and answers going on here.

Why should there be a debate about love? Each person in every relationship, Gay, Straight, Bisexual, Open, or Committed has a role to play in that relationship. I could look at you, and your relationship with your partner, and perhaps find fault with it, if I so choose. So, why are you singling out Mike and tim, for how they live their life?

As Moggie has said, you're the one casting judgment and did so since your first post. Your condescending attitude was there from the first words you wrote and got worse with each posting. So, check your attitude, it's not needed here, nor anywhere else.

4 hours ago, William King said:

@Michael36 

Thank you for your clear explanation Michael, but not for the tone of your response, which does you no favours and simply portraits an arrogance and dominating personality, which as you said is exactly what you are.

 

I will not take any further part in this group discussion, you have your clique of supporters, and there is no real debate or question and answers going on here. You say, or at least tim said, that you live this lifestyle in public, I wanted to discover how that was possible, but never mind. I wanted to be convinced of a loving relationship, but you never answered my first question, sometime ago. 

 

You say you are open to questions, but would seem not to be. In any discussion there should be room for diverse opinions, without bullying. No doubt everyone here will react negatively to this response and view it as an attack on your relationship and lifestyle. It is not - you can live however you chose, I do not have any judgement to make, but neither am I any closer to understanding. Only one person replied sympathetically and thank you to @MacGreg. The remainder of replies are simply a half dozen or so inane messages of support, which if you look back is always the response to the slightest hint of disention. 

 

Mr. King, this is a blog  - my opinions and thoughts. I am always open to questions. You can supply your thoughts and opinions, which you did, as can others, which they did. If they differ from your own, then they do.  As to my tone, well, I was rather taken aback by yours which felt rather superior and judgmental, I felt I responded in kind. 

Your post indicated that all people live as D/s couples do, I begged to differ and provided you with some insight. I returned to the post of yours I was responding to and found these two questions:

Getting back to the Dom/sub relationship, is that any different from most other relationships? - I believe I answered that. 

Love, that's the next question. Why? 

You want to be convinced of a loving relationship. I'm not sure how I can convince you of that. tim is not my slave, I don't order him around 24/7. He is my boy and my husband. I look after him, he wants for nothing and I care for him. I am with him for every doctor's appointment, we prepare meals together, I hold in my arms at night and whenever he needs my love and comfort, I pick him up, take him places, we see films together, hold hands, kiss - in short, do things everyone does together.  I married him because, that's how I was raised, in happy home with married parents. I wanted to marry also. When I met tim, he was who I wanted. On the day we married I loved him and I love him still.  I need him as much as he needs me. I can only tell you, that when he is next to me or in my arms, he often whispers to me, I love you. I can only take him at his word.

I went back to the first post of yours and found this question: What did you give up in this relationship?

I gave up nothing. Should I give up something? Did tim?  My answer is that neither of us did. We both gained what we needed and that is each other. D/s is a symbiotic relationship, I need a submissive and tim needs a dominant. 

If you have questions, you are more than welcome to ask them. 

6 hours ago, William King said:

No doubt everyone here will react negatively to this response 

What do you expect when people who have faced massive prejudice over their PERSONAL choices take the time to try and answer your curiosity and are met with angry posts like this?

I am straight, married 35 years, and yes have a dominant personality. My husband is a tad on the submissive side, but guess what? MOST GOOD MARRIAGES, both straight and gay, are like this. Having complimentary personalities is WHY relationships work. Two dominant people will find themselves clashing. People who live D/s lifestyles just take things much further than people like hubby and I do.

6 hours ago, William King said:

I will not take any further part in this group discussion

This may be best. You do not really seem open to learning about the lifestyle, and come across as increasingly judgemental with each paragraph.

1 hour ago, MichaelS36 said:

I went back to the first post of yours and found this question: What did you give up in this relationship?

Ok, maybe some will take offense at this one, but remember, this is my OPINION. 

I do not think Tim GAVE UP anything.  He GAVE Mike a huge gift in seeding control, and in return got the security he needs.  If I give someone an expensive watch, do I "give it up"?  When giving friendship or love mean you are "giving it up"?  On the contrary! I find the more love I give, the more I receive in return.

10 hours ago, William King said:

@Michael36 

Thank you for your clear explanation Michael, but not for the tone of your response, which does you no favours and simply portraits an arrogance and dominating personality, which as you said is exactly what you are.

 

I will not take any further part in this group discussion, you have your clique of supporters, and there is no real debate or question and answers going on here. You say, or at least tim said, that you live this lifestyle in public, I wanted to discover how that was possible, but never mind. I wanted to be convinced of a loving relationship, but you never answered my first question, sometime ago. 

 

You say you are open to questions, but would seem not to be. In any discussion there should be room for diverse opinions, without bullying. No doubt everyone here will react negatively to this response and view it as an attack on your relationship and lifestyle. It is not - you can live however you chose, I do not have any judgement to make, but neither am I any closer to understanding. Only one person replied sympathetically and thank you to @MacGreg. The remainder of replies are simply a half dozen or so inane messages of support, which if you look back is always the response to the slightest hint of disention. 

 

William, I respect you. I know you're intelligent and I enjoy our conversations. I do have to say your tone came off condescending. May not have been your intention. 
I will not dismiss your curiosity or lack of understanding on this topic. I hold no judgement of your responses. 
As a submissive who lives a D/s lifestyle, we are defensive. Our choices are perceived as deviant. Yes, I said choice. I'm no slave. My Sir builds me everyday... By loving me, building confidence, and he keeps me from hating and hurting myself. He loves, protects, and gives security to an often broken boy. 
If you have questions, I'm willing to have an honest and open discussion. 

@William King

excuse me mr. King but it seems like you've already made up your mind. Which is fine cause you're allowed to have your own opinion. I just don't see why it's necessary to demean their choice of lifestyle. Michael and Tim are great people and they've been nothing but nice to me despite of my background. Open minded when most people wouldn't be. Next time you decide to judge someone you should consider that everybody have a history. And if Tim and Michael are happy as they are there's no reason to question nor judge them.

I just want to add one thing @William King, about taking orders and being told what to wear. Speaking only for myself. My Sir always considers my opinion. Danny is my Sir. Him making my choices frees me. I get so bogged down with my demons. I'm not just giving control, it relieves pressures that drown everyday. I'm not a dog taking commands. This gives me structure, a chance to catch my breath. Most important, focus for me to function.

@MacGreg @Mikiesboy @mollyhousemouse @BHopper2 @Kitt @BlindAmbition @mogwhy @Defiance19 @Jsgo @William King

First, thank you all for your support and defense of our lifestyle. You all have my gratitude and appreciation. Those who need it have my support and protection. 

I'd like to say that William has been in touch with me privately and our discussion was amiable. I'd been reviewing the blog and frankly, wondered if William would want to engage again in public, I had decided to reach out to him, when he in fact reached out to me. 

I know that hackles were raised and tempers flared a little, but please remember and that includes William and myself, that this form of communication is cold and we need to sometimes stop and ask ourselves some questions before going on. 

Our D/s family here is very alive and supportive, let's continue that and make others who may be curious for many reasons, welcome.  

Thank you all, once again. 

M

@MichaelS36 Thanks for saying this. I mentioned something similar a short time ago in DIC - although much more succinct. Constructive dialogue has many more positive results than jumping to defensive-mode. Although, believe me, I get it.