MetaSeries Ranting

[Puppilull]

Me too! My brain is not cooperating...

[JohnAR]

Hint, Mrs. Defiance: What's the name of the Officer in hero? And what day does Hero take place on?

 

Discuss ...

[Timothy M.]

Hint, Mrs. Defiance: What's the name of the Officer in Hero? And what day does Hero take place on?

 

Discuss ...

 

Suddenly, I'm taken back 30 years and doing another stint in college.  

 

But at least we can all sit back and wait for Dr PkC to answer.

Edited February 6, 2016 by Timothy M.

[Puppilull]

I'll just say it should be Heru and leave it at that.

[PkCrichton]

You aren't getting my Prophecies 3 review yet! I just posted ABBA and all the greek analysis!

 

But I will tell you this... The events of Hero took place on the day that time changed for WINTER in 1997.... I happen to know the exact date as I figured that out many weeks ago... but yeah. Use that grey matter between your ears, those 10 fingers on the hands and see if the internet can tell you the exact day

[Puppilull]

Well, I'm screwed. And not in the good way...

[Puppilull]

Besides, I hope there's no confusion that hawk and falcon are two different birds. Or else I'll be very puzzled.

[JohnAR]

Besides, I hope there's no confusion that hawk and falcon are two different birds. Or else I'll be very puzzled.

 

 

Given my references are GreekRoman and not Celtic, we stick with falcons and forget the hawks.

[Puppilull]

What? You're telling me now you mean the same f-ing bird?

[Defiance19]

Hint, Mrs. Defiance: What's the name of the Officer in hero? And what day does Hero take place on?

 

Discuss ...

 

Who is Falcon White. This I got the significance of. As for the date April 6th, the start of WW1? 

 

Suddenly, I'm taken back 30 years and doing another stint in college.  

 

But at least we can all sit back and wait for Dr PkC to answer.

You aren't getting my Prophecies 3 review yet! I just posted ABBA and all the greek analysis!

 

But I will tell you this... The events of Hero took place on the day that time changed for WINTER in 1997.... I happen to know the exact date as I figured that out many weeks ago... but yeah. Use that grey matter between your ears, those 10 fingers on the hands and see if the internet can tell you the exact day

But see, he's being Meta mean.. I'll keep those fingers working... 

What? You're telling me now you mean the same f-ing bird?

That caught a full on snort! 

[PkCrichton]

What? You're telling me now you mean the same f-ing bird?

Pretty much yeah!

 

Who is Falcon White. This I got the significance of. As for the date April 6th, the start of WW1? 

 

But see, he's being Meta mean.. I'll keep those fingers working... 

That caught a full on snort! 

on the last Saturday before the clock changed to wintertime.

[Puppilull]

Seriously, falcon and hawk are two different birds. Soon, it will be proposed eagle is the same too. And I was setting up to welcome Arne White...

[Timothy M.]

Besides, I hope there's no confusion that hawk and falcon are two different birds. Or else I'll be very puzzled.

 

now I'm confused. where did a hawk get into the picture?

[PkCrichton]

now I'm confused. where did a hawk get into the picture?

Gavin has two different translations depending on 'where' the name is being used as it was adapted to the different regions. One is White Hawk the other is White Falcon. JAR has specified that White Falcon is the translation used in Meta for his Gavin. That should be enough.

[Puppilull]

Where did he say that? There's Falcon White and there's Gavin. Not the same person.

[PkCrichton]

Where did he say that? There's Falcon White and there's Gavin. Not the same person.

“’White Falcon?’” Gavin repeated. Interesting. But why did Lunn want him to know that?

[Puppilull]

Gavin is a hawk. Not a falcon.

[PkCrichton]

Gavin is a hawk. Not a falcon.

And what makes you say that?

 

 

The Celtic theory says that Gavin is a variant of Gawain / Gwalchgyn with the meaning of "white hawk."

And while it is completely possible that the Celtic tribes have an oral tradition for this name, the first written records do not appear until the Middle Ages with works such as "Le Mort d'Arthur." Until writing en masse was used by Celtic cultures, there is no real written evidence for this name. Also we really do not see this name occurring in the Celtic regions until the popularity of this book reached its height.

The Latin theory has more weight in my personal opinion.

The Latin name Gavinus, the Italian variants Gavino and Gabino, has a long documented history of usage that goes back to the Early Roman Republic. It is a name that has a stronger usage in southern Italy, however, records of this name are found throughout the Roman Republic and Roman Empire.

I know that it is possible that similar names can be developed independently by difference cultures and languages. However, I find it interesting that their is a similar meaning being shared for these names by both cultures.

With the Celtic origin, the name names "white hawk." But the Latin name and variants all mean "white falcon." So both origins share a reference for a white bird of prey.

 

Edited February 6, 2016 by PkCrichton

[JohnAR]

Gavin is a hawk. Not a falcon.

 

 

Gavin is a falcon. Not a hawk.

 

;-)

[Puppilull]

Well, that's just mean. If we're supposed to just think white birds in general, it's a big difference.

[JohnAR]

Well, that's just mean. If we're supposed to just think white birds in general, it's a big difference.

 

 

It is ... but if Gavin stood for White Hawk, the officer in Hero would have been called Hawk White ;-)

[PkCrichton]

It is ... but if Gavin stood for White Hawk, the officer in Hero would have been called Hawk White ;-)

White Bird of Prey.... Bird Prey White... Prey Bird White... yeah just isn't as fun or distinguished as a Falcon

[Puppilull]

But Gavin is much younger!

[JohnAR]

But Gavin is much younger!

 

 

I guess that's the puzzle that has to be solved ... retreating to my little dark corner ...

[PkCrichton]

So what about all the Greek side of things.... I did post that insane list of what we know and what could be...  SOMEONE had perviously posted thoughts about links with Orpheus....

Edited February 6, 2016 by PkCrichton