Mann Ramblings Innocence & Carnality

[Timothy M.]

True, now I'm wondering how Rother will react when he finds out his husband tried to run off to Victoria.

 

Tim, I actually think Nathan is more of an emotive person, rather than logical. His decisions and actions are often based on what he feels at the moment; happiness, sadness, anger, etc. Does that make him less intelligent to not think rationally? Not really. Because even highly intelligent people can make dumb mistakes.

 

 

PS: Tim, why are you up so early?

 

Well, let's hope Rother never finds out, since it will only make him lose any last bit of respect he may have for Nathan.

 

Oh, your explanation makes me realize why I dislike Nathan so much. I despise people who are ruled by their emotions. From Bridget Jones to all of the main character of he-who-shall-not-be-named's stories.

 

I fell asleep early after a long day and woke up at 3 am. I may try to get another hour's sleep before geting up for work.

[Drew Espinosa]

Well, let's hope Rother never finds out, since it will only make him lose any last bit of respect he may have for Nathan.

 

Oh, your explanation makes me realize why I dislike Nathan so much. I despise people who are ruled by their emotions. From Bridget Jones to all of the main character of he-who-shall-not-be-named's stories.

 

I fell asleep early after a long day and woke up at 3 am. I may try to get another hour's sleep before geting up for work.

I'm not there yet, but... Nathan does leave a bad taste in my mouth So I ain't far from all out disliking Nathan.

 

And I do understand not liking people ruled by their emotions, because it more often than not leads to horrible decisions. A really good example I can think of is Robbie in Millennium. Due to Carson emotionally manipulating him, Robbie tanked his relationship with Brad and made terrible choices in what movies he'd produce, and so on...

 

 

Goodnight Tim

Edited March 31, 2016 by Drew Espinosa

[Carlos Hazday]

Here's the options I see:

 

1. Nathan goes back to Victoria and the author can have fun with all that drama. I give this a very small chance.

 

2. Nathan stays in Francine and the author gets to have fun with all that drama. This is the most likely scenario in my view. Nathan and Rother are the protagonists (innocence and carnality, get it?) and I'm not sure Mann's the type to take a break from the primary characters and have the parents play a big part again.

 

3. Nathan leaves Delaga house (temporarily) but remains in Francine. This could be an interesting scenario. Silly boy lost in the big, bad world.

 

Tim, I don't think based on the way the characters have been presented, Rother has any big responsibility to explain things to Nathan up front. I'm not sure how long they've been in Francine now, but if the kid's as smart as he thinks himself to be, then he should have figured more out on his own. Your quotes do make it clear he never thought he had a duty to explain himself. He's the lord of the manor and it's his way or the highway.

 

I don't mind characters acting out of emotions, but only when they do so now and then, not a regular event. It's probably why you initilly told me to avoid one of your stories, you knew it was too mushy! LOL

[Reader1810]

Here's the options I see:

 

1. Nathan goes back to Victoria and the author can have fun with all that drama. I give this a very small chance.

 

2. Nathan stays in Francine and the author gets to have fun with all that drama. This is the most likely scenario in my view. Nathan and Rother are the protagonists (innocence and carnality, get it?) and I'm not sure Mann's the type to take a break from the primary characters and have the parents play a big part again.

 

3. Nathan leaves Delaga house (temporarily) but remains in Francine. This could be an interesting scenario. Silly boy lost in the big, bad world.

 

Tim, I don't think based on the way the characters have been presented, Rother has any big responsibility to explain things to Nathan up front. I'm not sure how long they've been in Francine now, but if the kid's as smart as he thinks himself to be, then he should have figured more out on his own. Your quotes do make it clear he never thought he had a duty to explain himself. He's the lord of the manor and it's his way or the highway.

 

I don't mind characters acting out of emotions, but only when they do so now and then, not a regular event. It's probably why you initilly told me to avoid one of your stories, you knew it was too mushy! LOL

 

A lot lot of options there Carlos, but I wonder if he really will leave Delaga House? With Blythe as his watch dog bodyguard, I can't see how he'll make it out of the house without being seen. Blythe may not be on call 24/7 but I get the feeling that he is very aware of Nathan's whereabouts at all times. I doubt he would ever risk something befalling his employer's (and rescuer) hubby now would he? 

Edited April 1, 2016 by Reader1810

[impunity]

 3. Nathan leaves Delaga house (temporarily) but remains in Francine. This could be an interesting scenario. Silly boy lost in the big, bad world.

 

I think it's this one. Nathan might leave but I doubt he'd make it back to Victoria. Misadventures would ensue.

 

 

Oh, your explanation makes me realize why I dislike Nathan so much. I despise people who are ruled by their emotions. From Bridget Jones to all of the main character of he-who-shall-not-be-named's stories.

 

Totally on board with this! I'm a drama junkie, but I can't stand melodrama.

Btw, I kind of hate to ask, but who exactly is not being named?

[Drew Espinosa]

Btw, I kind of hate to ask, but who exactly is not being named?

Just an author who doesn't have a story Tim really likes, and not for a lack of trying. If you're looking for a more specific answer, I'm sure Tim can PM you.

 

 

Hm... if I was to take a guess, I'd have to choose #3 (and no I didn't pick it because it's the closest to pi lol) simply because I am curious to see what Nathan would do on his own in Francine.

Edited April 1, 2016 by Drew Espinosa

[Victor Gutte]

I have to say I finally caught up with the story since I read it on my cousin's iPad, I couldn't login to leave a review I'll soon do it when I get hold of my computer

Oh! And Mann, I also happened to come across your story "little man" I only read the first chapter and I loved it very much. I didn't read further because I don't want to go without leaving reviews it'll be a while before I read it as I'm really pending on reviews

[Drew Espinosa]

I have to say I finally caught up with the story since I read it on my cousin's iPad, I couldn't login to leave a review I'll soon do it when I get hold of my computer

Oh! And Mann, I also happened to come across your story "little man" I only read the first chapter and I loved it very much. I didn't read further because I don't want to go without leaving reviews it'll be a while before I read it as I'm really pending on reviews

You'll love Little Man, mi principe!

[Timothy M.]

I don't mind characters acting out of emotions, but only when they do so now and then, not a regular event. It's probably why you initilly told me to avoid one of your stories, you knew it was too mushy! LOL

 

My characters may have emotions and display them, but they are NOT ruled by them - or they very quickly learn not to be.

 

Tim, I don't think based on the way the characters have been presented, Rother has any big responsibility to explain things to Nathan up front. I'm not sure how long they've been in Francine now, but if the kid's as smart as he thinks himself to be, then he should have figured more out on his own. Your quotes do make it clear he never thought he had a duty to explain himself. He's the lord of the manor and it's his way or the highway.

 

I'm surprised by your confidence in Nathan and his ability to work things out by himself. In particualr since we have not seen him interact in any sensible or fact-finding way with someone who knows Delaga house and is willing to actually talk with the boy. Of course, you are free to imagine all sorts of interactions in the 1-2 months Mann says Nathan has been there, but I prefer to base my analysis on what the author has actually shown us.

Edited April 1, 2016 by Timothy M.

[Timothy M.]

Just an author who doesn't have a story Tim really likes, and not for a lack of trying. If you're looking for a more specific answer, I'm sure Tim can PM you.

 

What a polite way of expressing it, Drew.

[Drew Espinosa]

My characters may have emotions and display them, but they are NOT ruled by them - or they very quickly learn not to be.

Like Russell. Sometimes he can get caught up in the negative emotions that assail him, but he has Jacob to pull him out of that. Plus, as your story progressed those episodes became less frequent. I think the key is that, like Russell, characters need to grow and learn.

 

So, maybe the escape will act as the moment Nathan begins to learn and grow up.

Edited April 1, 2016 by Drew Espinosa

[Reader1810]

Like Russell, sometimes he can get caught up in the negative emotions that assail him, but he has Jacob to pull him out of that. Plus, as your story progressed those episodes became less frequent. I think the key is that, like Russell, characters need to grow and learn.

 

So, maybe the escape will act as the moment Nathan begins to learn and grow up.

 

 

I still think Nathan is not going to make it out of the house with Blythe around, but we'll find out next Wednesday, won't we?

[Timothy M.]

I still think Nathan is not going to make it out of the house with Blythe around, but we'll find out next Wednesday, won't we?

 

I agree and I can't help wondering whether Harston will give Blythe a tip about Nathan's plans.

[Reader1810]

I agree and I can't help wondering whether Harston will give Blythe a tip about Nathan's plans.

 

 

Harston's first and only loyalty is to Nathan so he might go along with Nathan's wishes.

 

On the other hand, I could see Harston telling Samantha (the least volatile choice) if he was concerned for Nathan's safety - I know Nathan's not intellectually stupid, but will he be able to navigate around Francine on his own seeing as how he's always had an escort with him during trips away from Delaga House?

[Carlos Hazday]

Y'all should read over the scene when Nathan returned from shopping. Specifically Rother's questions concerning money.

 

Just think, Nathan's about to leave Delaga House and try to book passage back to Victoria. Something which he'll have to pay for with money.

 

Sorry, Mann. I know I probably guessed right again and may have given it away. But you should consider it a compliment. I keep trying to think like you because I admire you so much!

 

*kiss* ()() *kiss*

 

[Reader1810]

Y'all should read over the scene when Nathan returned from shopping. Specifically Rother's questions concerning money.

 

Just think, Nathan's about to leave Delaga House and try to book passage back to Victoria. Something which he'll have to pay for with money.

 

Sorry, Mann. I know I probably guessed right again and may have given it away. But you should consider it a compliment. I keep trying to think like you because I admire you so much!

 

*kiss* ()() *kiss*

 

 

 

I was just trying to make an educated guess based on what I did or did not recall reading in previou chapters. No fact checking as it were. No, I decided to wing it.

 

I just can't seem to get past the notion that Nathan will have a difficult if not impossible time getting out of the house. I'm content to wait patiently until next Wednesday to see what happens next.

[Timothy M.]

Y'all should read over the scene when Nathan returned from shopping. Specifically Rother's questions concerning money.

 

Just think, Nathan's about to leave Delaga House and try to book passage back to Victoria. Something which he'll have to pay for with money.

 

I just can't seem to get past the notion that Nathan will have a difficult if not impossible time getting out of the house.

 

Yep, I had the money problem in mind too - and also the fact that Nathan most likely would end up in a really bad situation without Blythe as an escort.   Then we might have to face talking about the consequences of completely awful violation and rape...

 

So like Reader, I decided that of course Nathan wouldn't be able to sneak out of Delaga house. Problem solved.

Edited April 2, 2016 by Timothy M.

[Timothy M.]

Tomorrow we'll find out what happens with Nathan's silly escape plans. I may have to visit GA during my lunch break.

[impunity]

Tomorrow we'll find out what happens with Nathan's silly escape plans. I may have to visit GA during my lunch break.

I'm still predicting that he manages to escape then has to get rescued from some dire predicament.

[Timothy M.]

I'm still predicting that he manages to escape then has to get rescued from some dire predicament.

 

Yeah, that could be interesting, particuarly if Blythe and Harston did the rescuing. - only six hours or so left before we know.

[Reader1810]

Yeah, that could be interesting, particuarly if Blythe and Harston did the rescuing. - only six hours or so left before we know.

 

 

Now I kind I hope he does manage to escape. The rescue could certainly be very interesting....

[Timothy M.]

Now I kind of hope he does manage to escape. The rescue could certainly be very interesting....

 

Well, if Blythe or Samantha catches Nathan before he leaves, it's also a kind of rescue  - from himself and possibly a 'fate worse than death'

[Mann Ramblings]

I've missed a few of these over the weeks, but I'm up early today. Too bad I can't do timed posts in the forums. Either way, we're up!

 

Chapter 39

[Reader1810]

Well, if Blythe or Samantha catches Nathan before he leaves, it's also a kind of rescue  - from himself and possibly a 'fate worse than death'

 

 

Tim,  I just read your review. If you have it correct regarding the old man then that means I've got it very wrong. I did think at the end the scent Nathan recognized was Blythe himself. After re reading the ending, what you surmised makes more sense though. I guess it's just as well that Blythe came after him, eh? At least I got that part correct. 

 

The chapters may be short, but that doesn't mean the story within said chapters is short on complexity. 

[Timothy M.]

Tim,  I just read your review. If you have it correct regarding the old man then that means I've got it very wrong. I did think at the end the scent Nathan recognized was Blythe himself. After re reading the ending, what you surmised makes more sense though.

 

I could easily be wrong, but Nathan wanted to say no to drinking and was thinking of how to get away. And he definitely sniffed the flask and smelled something in it. Now, the interesting part will be whether Blythe scolds him for being too trusting and refuses to believe Nathan had already realised something was wrong with the drink and thus the 'Vicar.'