AI Generation vs Writing

[Jeff Burton]

3 hours ago, Davide said:

Says the guy wondering what's the colour of the alien's jizz in a certain story.

Sir that was a valid scientific question asked for… you know, science. 😂

[Jeff Burton]

4 hours ago, ReaderPaul said:

Well, @Jeff Burton, @Krista, @Jason Rimbaud, @Tomkin Watts -- there are AIs which produce porn.  While I have no programming ability, and only a vague idea of what kind of prompts one might use, I read an article earlier today on Medium about the dangers of AI porn.  The main focus of the article seemed to be that real life humans cannot meet the perfection of AI produced porn, and that persons are already reading porn produced by AJI and watching AI produced porn and beginning to feel inferior to the "perfection" of the looks and the action of what might be termed "artificial" porn.  (My interpretation of what the article's author seemed to be saying.)   I am guessing that the same thing might be said of animated porn because extremes of personal and sexual perfection (as defined by some) can be generated as well in animation.

I wonder -- what might the rest of you think?

Artificial porn. I like that, same as regular porn without the shame of regular porn 😂

Im not sure it would effect me much I’m already well aware of my lack of perfection and just live with it.  

4 hours ago, lawfulneutralmage said:

It is not only porn. Nearly all social media is a "my dog, my partner, my car, my house, my travels, my [put anything esle here]" pissing contest.

That is why it is depressing. Others are always more beautiful, better off, better [you get the idea].

AI now makes it "perfect". Just a step in the escalation process.

This ties with the above I kinda agree that’s where this would head for the rest of the population who seem to be hell bent on being perfect in the eyes of anyone who will look.

I do agree it’s the next step of an already in progress escalation process so I guess I should get ready for more depressed people on threads I guess. 🤷🏻‍♂️

[Jason Rimbaud]

15 hours ago, Krista said:

We are the pearl clutchers, he is the one making us clutch them. 

Last I checked, I was not required reading. So any clutching of pearls is solely the responsibility of said clutcher of pearls. 

And I will not sit here and listen to you two twist this entire site against me. *I paused as I tried to find the angry emoji. I took like two minutes as I have bad eyesight* 🤬

I write silly stories that may or probably not include a few spicy scenes. But I'll have you know that each small, brief scene is necessary for the development of the story. 

And unlike the Learned To Lie smutfest with wet butts, and endless talks about squeezing thighs and riding horses, you could read any of my stories on a public bus without an ounce of shame. 

If I knew where to complain, I would nominate the both of you for cruel and mental anguish. Alas, the last time I contacted a MOD on this site, that may rhyme with mildone, I was ignored. 

But I shall move on, dejected, rejected, and ejected. I shall take comfort in my spiciest hot wing sauce and try to burn away all the pain I have endured until I am a tempered blade of steel. This shall gird my loins for the battle of G I Ants I am currently waging in the tunnels of San Francisco. 

15 hours ago, Krista said:

And we'll see which way Jason responds to this latest accusation, he mostly feigns innocence. I'm thinking 'feigns' is the correct term to use anyway. 

For you to suggest I am faking my innocence against these barbaric accusations is deplorable. Anyone on this site, could read Frosted Hearts and then Learned To Lie, and would know who has a pearl necklace or not. 

 

 

 

 

[ReaderPaul]

1 hour ago, Jason Rimbaud said:

Last I checked, I was not required reading. So any clutching of pearls is solely the responsibility of said clutcher of pearls. 

But I shall move on, dejected, rejected, and ejected.   I shall take comfort in my spiciest hot wing sauce and try to burn away all the pain I have endured until I am a tempered blade of steel.   This shall gird my loins for the battle of G I Ants I am currently waging in the tunnels of San Francisco. 

In your rhyming, you missed nondirected, nonelected, non-selected, non-erected, non-corrected, non-collected, non-sected, and several near rhymes ---

[Jason Rimbaud]

5 minutes ago, ReaderPaul said:

In your rhyming, you missed nondirected, nonelected, non-selected, non-erected, non-corrected, non-collected, non-sected, and several near rhymes ---

I did have a bunch more, but they were mostly phallic in nature, and I wanted to save any innuendo for the pearl necklace joke. I didn't want to push the mods to far.  . 

[Jeff Burton]

7 hours ago, Jason Rimbaud said:

For you to suggest I am faking my innocence against these barbaric accusations is deplorable. Anyone on this site, could read Frosted Hearts and then Learned To Lie, and would know who has a pearl necklace or not. 

 

This made me laugh way too hard.

[Krista]

9 hours ago, Jason Rimbaud said:

Last I checked, I was not required reading. So any clutching of pearls is solely the responsibility of said clutcher of pearls. 

And I will not sit here and listen to you two twist this entire site against me. *I paused as I tried to find the angry emoji. I took like two minutes as I have bad eyesight* 🤬

I write silly stories that may or probably not include a few spicy scenes. But I'll have you know that each small, brief scene is necessary for the development of the story. 

And unlike the Learned To Lie smutfest with wet butts, and endless talks about squeezing thighs and riding horses, you could read any of my stories on a public bus without an ounce of shame. 

If I knew where to complain, I would nominate the both of you for cruel and mental anguish. Alas, the last time I contacted a MOD on this site, that may rhyme with mildone, I was ignored. 

But I shall move on, dejected, rejected, and ejected. I shall take comfort in my spiciest hot wing sauce and try to burn away all the pain I have endured until I am a tempered blade of steel. This shall gird my loins for the battle of G I Ants I am currently waging in the tunnels of San Francisco. 

For you to suggest I am faking my innocence against these barbaric accusations is deplorable. Anyone on this site, could read Frosted Hearts and then Learned To Lie, and would know who has a pearl necklace or not. 

 

 

 

 

I doubt anyone has clutched their pearls reading my saucy writing. You best believe I've closed my laptop when the husband entered the room reading some of the stuff you've written though. I don't even want to attempt to explain myself if his eyeballs landed on that filth.

He needs protected, he's a golden retriever. 

[Jason Rimbaud]

13 hours ago, Krista said:

You best believe I've closed my laptop when the husband entered the room reading some of the stuff you've written though

I'm so sorry Krista....I'm really sorry

 

I'm so sorry, that was uncalled for. 

13 hours ago, Krista said:

He needs protected, he's a golden retriever.

This, I can understand. Keep your pure, innocent, wonderful husband away from my filth. 

Edited April 18 by Jason Rimbaud

[Tomkin Watts]

On 4/17/2026 at 11:42 AM, Jason Rimbaud said:

Last I checked, I was not required reading. So any clutching of pearls is solely the responsibility of said clutcher of pearls. 

And I will not sit here and listen to you two twist this entire site against me. *I paused as I tried to find the angry emoji. I took like two minutes as I have bad eyesight* 🤬

I write silly stories that may or probably not include a few spicy scenes. But I'll have you know that each small, brief scene is necessary for the development of the story. 

And unlike the Learned To Lie smutfest with wet butts, and endless talks about squeezing thighs and riding horses, you could read any of my stories on a public bus without an ounce of shame. 

If I knew where to complain, I would nominate the both of you for cruel and mental anguish. Alas, the last time I contacted a MOD on this site, that may rhyme with mildone, I was ignored. 

But I shall move on, dejected, rejected, and ejected. I shall take comfort in my spiciest hot wing sauce and try to burn away all the pain I have endured until I am a tempered blade of steel. This shall gird my loins for the battle of G I Ants I am currently waging in the tunnels of San Francisco. 

For you to suggest I am faking my innocence against these barbaric accusations is deplorable. Anyone on this site, could read Frosted Hearts and then Learned To Lie, and would know who has a pearl necklace or not. 

 

 

 

 

I Lost my pearls in the tunnels of San Francisco a long time ago, and now I don't remember what it's like to clutch them. (Or was it in an alley South of Market?)

[Headstall]

On 4/17/2026 at 3:16 AM, Krista said:

For me, it is a no. When you watch a Digital artist become completely obsolete, I cannot call it a technique. As it took that digital artist years to craft and hone their skill. They started out on simple mediums, grew their talent through failures, physically hundreds of hours. They shifted from paper/pencil sketching, to learning how to do it with digital brushes on a digital pad or screen. They learned color theory, they branched out, they were either self taught, or went to art school/programs. They were burdened by physical and mental limitations every step of the way. They had to sleep, eat, bathe, socialize, and feel the demands and pressure of living on this planet as a human being trying to create in a world that doesn't allow for many slow pastimes and hobbies.

Most importantly though through that time you create your own stylistic choices in the process, tendencies that you carry with you throughout your creative life. Something that when you look at the work you 'know' that it is your work no matter the medium. 

AI does all of that on its own and it does it like a factory printing operation that mass produces art in minutes. With none of the physical and mental demands.

The only technique you learn is how to optimize it and use other tools to manipulate it 'just enough' to then allow you to settle on the idea that it wasn't 100% AI generated. AI at its core, is the ultimate mimicry. 

I am not completely anti-progress, even with AI. I do not see this as progress though, I see it as replacement via convenience. Optimization and mass production over skilled labor intensive work. 

I have learned to stay away from serious conversations on here... I do my best to avoid any controversy(?)... but what you say is so true, Krista. One of my daughters is a graphic design artist. She studied for years and has a degree, has drawn, painted, and created her entire life (like her dad), and has worked as a graphic designer for the same company for about fourteen years. The owner of that company passed away and it has been sold off piecemeal, and all the employees were let go. I asked her if she had any leads, and her answer made me want to cry. She said her profession has become obsolete because of AI. It's happened to her once-successful classmates too. It breaks my heart. She just accepted a job for not even half the pay and entirely out of her field, a job that has no actual qualifications needed. It wasn't just her livelihood she lost, it was her passion.   

As far as using AI in fiction writing... ah... I just deleted what I typed to avoid argument. Let me just say, I am old, and don't see it the same way as some of the previous posters seem to do. I have no right to judge anyone else, and I don't, but I will never use it. Never. Not for anything. I have Word, and I get squiggly lines for bad spelling, and I get some other blue ones I mostly ignore, but I haven't downloaded any programs to assist me, like Grammerly(?) for example. I've had a wonderful editor @Timothy M. who helped me immensely, but I do all my editing myself now, and I have never used a beta reader. Not because I think I shouldn't. I'm just not comfortable sharing anything but the final product, other than with Timothy. I'm far from a perfect writer, a late bloomer by any standards, but my work contains my heart and soul, such as it is, and I am proud it all came from my head and my fingers. The satisfaction in that is priceless to an old fella like me who wrote stories in his head his whole life. So yeah, I agree with you there too. I've been worrying for a while that maybe I am part of a dying breed, but it is what it is. Writers have to make their own decisions. Cheers! G.

Edited April 19 by Headstall

[Mikiesboy]

7 minutes ago, Headstall said:

So yeah, I agree with you there too. I've been worrying for a while that maybe I am part of a dying breed, but it is what it is. Writers have to make their own decisions.

The heart emoji is because.   I'm sorry for your daughter, that is so sad and heartbreaking, and i'm sorry for those who choose AI to write their stories for them. 

What an empty endeavour.

I think Krista mentioned the need for attention, AI pumps out some crap, the author posts it and people lap it up...telling the author how brilliant they are.  The attention addiction is fulfilled...until the next time. 

AI i'm sure has its uses...i look things up all the time, but i don't want to read its fiction. 

Keep on writing your good, heartfelt, real stories.  There is still a real audience for them.

[Headstall]

10 minutes ago, Mikiesboy said:

The heart emoji is because.   I'm sorry for your daughter, that is so sad and heartbreaking, and i'm sorry for those who choose AI to write their stories for them. 

What an empty endeavour.

I think Krista mentioned the need for attention, AI pumps out some crap, the author posts it and people lap it up...telling the author how brilliant they are.  The attention addiction is fulfilled...until the next time. 

AI i'm sure has its uses...i look things up all the time, but i don't want to read its fiction. 

Keep on writing your good, heartfelt, real stories.  There is still a real audience for them.

Thanks, tim. I have used AI too, come to think of it, when I google something about my new fishtank , and it has AI come up as an option. It does have its uses. I do avoid anything that looks like AI on TikTok or in Reels, though, because I feel what's the point if its fake for clicks? Cheers.

[Krista]

23 minutes ago, Headstall said:

I have learned to stay away from serious conversations on here... I do my best to avoid any controversy(?)... but what you say is so true, Krista. One of my daughters is a graphic design artist. She studied for years and has a degree, has drawn, painted, and created her entire life (like her dad), and has worked as a graphic designer for the same company for about fourteen years. The owner of that company passed away and it has been sold off piecemeal, and all the employees were let go. I asked her if she had any leads, and her answer made me want to cry. She said her profession has become obsolete because of AI. It's happened to her once-successful classmates too. It breaks my heart. She just accepted a job for not even half the pay and entirely out of her field, a job that has no actual qualifications needed. It wasn't just her livelihood she lost, it was her passion.   

As far as using AI in fiction writing... ah... I just deleted what I typed to avoid argument. Let me just say, I am old, and don't see it the same way as some of the previous posters seem to do. I have no right to judge anyone else, and I don't, but I will never use it. Never. Not for anything. I have Word, and I get squiggly lines for bad spelling, and I get some other blue ones I mostly ignore, but I haven't downloaded any programs to assist me, like Grammerly(?) for example. I've had a wonderful editor @Timothy M. who helped me immensely, but I do all my editing myself now, and I have never used a beta reader. Not because I think I shouldn't. I'm just not comfortable sharing anything but the final product, other than with Timothy. I'm far from a perfect writer, a late bloomer by any standards, but my work contains my heart and soul, such as it is, and I am proud it all came from my head and my fingers. The satisfaction in that is priceless to an old fella like me who wrote stories in his head his whole life. So yeah, I agree with you there too. I've been worrying for a while that maybe I am part of a dying breed, but it is what it is. Writers have to make their own decisions. Cheers! G.

It is sad, she shouldn't have to settle, but she was forced to. It is also completely out of your control and as a parent as well, I know that feeling. To watch creative people defend the systematic dismantling of creativity is worrisome to me. It 'will' knock on our door someday. People writing it off as easy to 'pick out' AI slop will one day realize that eventually AI will close those 'gaps' and 'safeguards' between organic writing and what it is currently capable of doing.

Although, if done slowly, passage by passage, someone with 'some' skill can already use AI and get around those 'creative' holes and gaps. 

And then there's always opinions and opinions change, to see all this early waffling isn't promising. Look at Animation Vs. CGI. We used to scoff at how clunky and unclean CGI was, it was horrendous when it first came out. Now it is rare to see traditional animation in anything, especially mainstream. Advancement makes things obsolete everyday, for better and worse. 

And, it takes all kinds in a community. I have no qualms about being controversial, blunt, or opinionated.  The way I see it, if my mouth/words are too much and it overshadows my worth and writing, then it gives me a good reason to retire from all this.

 

[lawfulneutralmage]

2 hours ago, Headstall said:

[...] She said her profession has become obsolete because of AI. [...]

I am waiting for my job to become obsolete. I am a software developer. So far, AI has increased my work speed. However, give it maybe five years, I will not write code anymore. I will be prompt engineer, describing what I want in a manner the AI can implement it efficiently. AI will change what I do so much, that my current job will not exist any longer.

 

2 hours ago, Mikiesboy said:

The heart emoji is because.   I'm sorry for your daughter, that is so sad and heartbreaking, and i'm sorry for those who choose AI to write their stories for them. 

Yes, same here, both statements.

 

2 hours ago, Headstall said:

[...] I have used AI too, come to think of it, [...]

We will not be able to avoid it whether we want that or not.

 

2 hours ago, Krista said:

[...] It 'will' knock on our door someday. [...]

Exactly.

I have the choice to either fight it and go under, to accept it and change. I love my job, but honestly, I love it even more working with AI - it knows everything! Stuff that took me ages to dig out myself, I can now learn in minutes. Just yesterday, when I asked it to analyze my database structure, it recommended that I use an include statement in an index, mapping directly between a history_id and a timestamp, so all my joins on the history table by history_id to find out what the timestamp is are much, much, much quicker (50%). I did not know about the "include" statement for the "Create index" command.

But that is my job.

When I write, I want to write my stories.

I am not a social media person, and on YT, I watch specific stuff, but that feed nowadays contains stuff that just cannot be true. I don't believe a picture or video anymore. I really dread a time when that will be the case with stories, too.

 

 

Edited April 19 by lawfulneutralmage

[ReaderPaul]

I have had five interactions with AI this week, and three of them gave me wrong answers.  Interestingly, one question gave me two wrong answers in the same question.  It said that I could verify the answer by doing thus-and-so -- I did thus-and-so and proved that AI gave me two wrong answers.  Two answers, however, were correct.  So watch for inaccurate stuff.  Fortunately, I attempt to verify almost everything now.

AI will get better, as @lawfulneutralmage said.   (I am defining better, in this case, as more accurate.)   But it has, proverbially, "a ways to go."

[Mikiesboy]

In the Toronto Star today, there is an article called:  In love with a chatbot: Why people are dating AI ‘companions,’ and what it means for their life skills. 

I cannot think of anything worse. Having a relationship with a 'real' human is hard, and I suppose i can understand why you'd go there if you're lonely, it's easier than going out. And that AI guy is perfect. No socks anywhere to pick up and no nasty noises after dinner.  But there are no hands to hold either, nothing physical, nothing real. 

It's too depressing.  Social media and all its companions will end us. 

 

[Kileoli]

On 4/19/2026 at 4:10 PM, Mikiesboy said:

I cannot think of anything worse. Having a relationship with a 'real' human is hard,

You have a point but AI is a hilarious companion, i mean the article did not mean this aspect of AI but sometimes it makes summaries you start asking yourself what happened there.

For example I learned a new object of pleasure today while writing to @Jeff Burton "a versatile dildo". It's very interesting to read the summary on Google.

I guess the only way not to get lost in the world of AI, is to teach , specially the younger generation, how to critically deal with AI and how to anchor their lives to reality ( social media is not a reality). Other than that, humanity is a lost case.

[Kileoli]

1 hour ago, Kileoli said:

I guess the only way not to get lost in the world of AI, is to teach , specially the younger generation, how to critically deal with AI and how to anchor their lives to reality ( social media is not a reality). Other than that, humanity is a lost case.

@Jeff Burton I did the main point at the end thing again. I think I need to take a writing course so I stop writing like this 😅

[Jeff Burton]

2 hours ago, Kileoli said:

@Jeff Burton I did the main point at the end thing again. I think I need to take a writing course so I stop writing like this 😅

lmao I noticed. In case anybody is wondering wtf we are on about if you ever want to know @Kileoli’s actual point, or the important thing he meant to say, just skip to the last paragraph because literally that’s where the important stuff shows up.

And he’s very consistent with this.  I just find it amusing 😂

[Kileoli]

3 hours ago, Jeff Burton said:

lmao I noticed. In case anybody is wondering wtf we are on about if you ever want to know @Kileoli’s actual point, or the important thing he meant to say, just skip to the last paragraph because literally that’s where the important stuff shows up.

And he’s very consistent with this.  I just find it amusing 😂

At least I'm consistent. ( Middle finger emoji!)

And nope I didnt know it, until this guy pointed out. Now every time I am trying not to do so but it gets worse. 

Conclusion: im an AI creation with a fixed model and if you try to fix it, I hallucinate and things get worse.

Edited April 21 by Kileoli

[Jeff Burton]

28 minutes ago, Kileoli said:

At least I'm consistent. ( Middle finger emoji!)

And nope I didnt know it, until this guy pointed out. Now every time I am trying not to do so but it gets worse. 

Conclusion: im an AI creation with a fixed model and if you try to fix it, I hallucinate and things get worse.

Could be worse.

At least you aren’t something I created via a hallucination lmao.

[Jason Rimbaud]

3 hours ago, Kileoli said:

At least I'm consistent. ( Middle finger emoji!)

You do know there is a middle finger emoji, right?  

 

I don't use it only because I think the mods might get mad, but in another forum, to use this emoji, you had to type :jason.  I was flattered.  

Edited April 21 by Jason Rimbaud

[Kileoli]

2 hours ago, Jason Rimbaud said:

You do know there is a middle finger emoji, right?  

🖕

I don't use it only because I think the mods might get mad, but in another forum, to use this emoji, you had to type :jason.  I was flattered.  

I didn't use the Jason emoji because I thought if I write it, the mods won't notice. Thanks to you now I have the mess here. 🤣

[Jason Rimbaud]

No you don't.  

 

2 hours ago, Jason Rimbaud said:

You do know there is a middle finger emoji, right?  

 

I don't use it only because I think the mods might get mad, but in another forum, to use this emoji, you had to type :jason.  I was flattered.  

No :jason 

[Kileoli]

 

@Jason Rimbaudwow you have a new profile picture. Every time I want to mention you. I get confused

2 minutes ago, Jason Rimbaud said:

No you don't.  

No I don't wha