AI Generation vs Writing

[Kileoli]

6 minutes ago, Jeff Burton said:

That's literally how I see my sex scenes too

So true. That's what I think when I read your stories, they are so ...nice and private and pixeled or black bars. I guess that kiss of Skyler was the most you did.

Can I be your beta, please? I can increase the Pixel quality.

[Jeff Burton]

8 minutes ago, Kileoli said:

So true. That's what I think when I read your stories, they are so ...nice and private and pixeled or black bars. I guess that kiss of Skyler was the most you did.

Can I be your beta, please? I can increase the Pixel quality.

Actually no Skyler's kiss wasn't the most I've done lol, I did do something in one of my stories that was rather graphic and it gave me so much anxiety I promised I would never do it again.  Except I'm probably going to break that promise and figure out a way to write smut that doesn't make me cringe.

Edited Monday at 10:01 AM by Jeff Burton

[Kileoli]

24 minutes ago, Jeff Burton said:

Actually no Skyler's kiss wasn't the most I've done lol, I did do something in one of my stories that was rather graphic and it gave me so much anxiety I promised I would never do it again.  Except I'm probably going to break that promise and figure out a way to write smut that doesn't make me cringe.

Oh, which one was that? I'm so gonna read it and use it against you. Besides you can use me as your AI tool with no sexual limitations and I'm for free....or I take tokens... Embarrassing your characters and making you cringe...

Oh no, what's wrong with me?! I guess someone wrote a virus and infected me. I'm very nice., pixeled, behind closed doors....just cameras installed.

[Jason Rimbaud]

8 hours ago, Topher Lydon said:

OMG that is better than MOST of my sex scenes ROTFLOL i am terrible at them, far too prudish.

Sex scenes have no place on GA! Whether AI assists or not. 

Jeff and Topher have the right idea, just hints, and fading to black. 

 

[Jeff Burton]

5 hours ago, Jason Rimbaud said:

Sex scenes have no place on GA! Whether AI assists or not. 

Jeff and Topher have the right idea, just hints, and fading to black. 

 

I think me and Topher should just leave it to the professionals. 😉

[Jason Rimbaud]

14 minutes ago, Jeff Burton said:

I think me and Topher should just leave it to the professionals. 😉

Like Cassie, right?  

[Krista]

2 hours ago, Jason Rimbaud said:

Like Cassie, right?  

Cassie is a professional in everything.

You sir, are a professional in filth. 

[William King]

10 hours ago, Jason Rimbaud said:

Sex scenes have no place on GA! Whether AI assists or not. 

Are you joking? Not knowing you, I don't know if you are being serious or not. Often I feel there are personal conversations going on here which kind of exclude outsiders.

On a site which has Sex Content tags: anal, bdsm, casual sex, fetish, first time, group sex, incest, masturbate, no sex, oral, violent, it does rather classify the content as at least soft porn, excepting the "no sex" tag. I've always had a question about such story tags, however it would seem to be the opposite of "Sex scenes have no place on GA!" As for AI, it has self imposed censorship and cannot fulfill requests for explicit sex scenes, it will not write pornography.

[Jason Rimbaud]

12 minutes ago, William King said:

Are you joking? Not knowing you, I don't know if you are being serious or not. Often I feel there are personal conversations going on here which kind of exclude outsiders.

On a site which has Sex Content tags: anal, bdsm, casual sex, fetish, first time, group sex, incest, masturbate, no sex, oral, violent, it does rather classify the content as at least soft porn, excepting the "no sex" tag. I've always had a question about such story tags, however it would seem to be the opposite of "Sex scenes have no place on GA!" As for AI, it has self imposed censorship and cannot fulfill requests for explicit sex scenes, it will not write pornography.

Yes, it was a joke between a few of us. It spans many different threads and topics. And the joke was, I'm a filthy writer of smut. . Sorry to confuse you. 

It's not about excluding outsiders, there is just a group of us that comment on each other's threads and comments. All are welcome but not many want to stoop to the immaturity of my personal thread. 

Edited Tuesday at 04:05 AM by Jason Rimbaud

[Topher Lydon]

I'd actually be down for a writer's guide, or a simple lesson in how to write it. It's a big weakness in my writing and one hurdle I'd love to overcome. Finding a balance between prudishness and spicey

[Jeff Burton]

7 minutes ago, Topher Lydon said:

I'd actually be down for a writer's guide, or a simple lesson in how to write it. It's a big weakness in my writing and one hurdle I'd love to overcome. Finding a balance between prudishness and spicey

Same lol.  I'd love to be as filthy as @Jason Rimbaud but I grew up modest, and never broke out of that mold. 😂

[lawfulneutralmage]

10 minutes ago, Topher Lydon said:

I'd actually be down for a writer's guide, or a simple lesson in how to write it. It's a big weakness in my writing and one hurdle I'd love to overcome. Finding a balance between prudishness and spicey

I use port wine...

[William King]

6 minutes ago, Topher Lydon said:

Finding a balance between prudishness and spicey

There is an example here: https://gayauthors.org/story/e-k-stokes/rókus/3 it's a story I read not long ago which I think makes the right balance. In my own older stories I may have gone too far, it is very difficult to draw a line that perfectly fits being spicy without going too far.

[Jason Rimbaud]

4 minutes ago, William King said:

There is an example here: https://gayauthors.org/story/e-k-stokes/rókus/3 it's a story I read not long ago which I think makes the right balance. In my own older stories I may have gone too far, it is very difficult to draw a line that perfectly fits being spicy without going too far.

There is no such thing as too far!   
 

when it comes to sex in a story, I say just include what your comfortable with. I really don’t understand going to far. What does that mean to you?  

[William King]

1 minute ago, Jason Rimbaud said:

I really don’t understand going to far. What does that mean to you?  

Going too far for me means crossing a line between including a sexual scene described erotically and falling into pornography. If you want examples I will write you privately.

It does depend what you want to do with your book, who the audience is. Take @Topher Lydon latest series, book one, A Knight in the Darkness, the sexual content never goes beyond obvious suggestion. This means the book could appeal to a wider audience. Honestly, if the whole series is the same and apart from one reservation, it could be the new Harry Potter. He creates a whole universe and populates it with fantastic characters, magic, and adventure. The one reservation, maybe it's too gay oriented for a wider audience, but then again, maybe not.

[lawfulneutralmage]

7 minutes ago, William King said:

Going too far for me means crossing a line between including a sexual scene described erotically and falling into pornography. If you want examples I will write you privately.

That is exactly the issue. What is erotic to some is pornographic to others.

You cannot measure this in an all-agreed manner, because that borderline depends on each individual. The extremes are easy to define, the borderline cases are the issue.

[William King]

11 minutes ago, lawfulneutralmage said:

What is erotic to some is pornographic to others.

True. It also depends on the country you live in, some societies are more prudish than others.

[Jason Rimbaud]

54 minutes ago, William King said:

Going too far for me means crossing a line between including a sexual scene described erotically and falling into pornography. If you want examples I will write you privately.

It does depend what you want to do with your book, who the audience is. Take @Topher Lydon latest series, book one, A Knight in the Darkness, the sexual content never goes beyond obvious suggestion. This means the book could appeal to a wider audience. Honestly, if the whole series is the same and apart from one reservation, it could be the new Harry Potter. He creates a whole universe and populates it with fantastic characters, magic, and adventure. The one reservation, maybe it's too gay oriented for a wider audience, but then again, maybe not.

Then I’m beyond erotic.  Happily.  😜

[chris191070]

8 minutes ago, Jason Rimbaud said:

Then I’m beyond erotic.  Happily.  😜

There's nothing wrong with erotic, as long as there's an awesome story with it. 

[Jason Rimbaud]

11 hours ago, chris191070 said:

There's nothing wrong with erotic, as long as there's an awesome story with it. 

The erotica I have down pat, now I need to learn how to write/right a good story, not sure if I'll ever produce an awesome story. I'll leave that to you!  

[Jason Rimbaud]

12 hours ago, William King said:

True. It also depends on the country you live in, some societies are more prudish than others.

Or people, *cough* @Jeff Burton *cough* . 

[Jeff Burton]

11 minutes ago, Jason Rimbaud said:

Or people, *cough* @Jeff Burton *cough* . 

I’m definitely a prude.

[Jason Rimbaud]

2 hours ago, Jeff Burton said:

I’m definitely a prude.

But you're my favorite prude.  

[Davide]

Nevermind, ignore.

Edited Tuesday at 11:47 PM by Davide

[Tomkin Watts]

Sorry... Am I too late for the (sex) party? I was deep into a new story that has no sex scenes. 

Okay now, I'm back. My tablet miraculously wiped out the paragraphs i just wrote-lol!

But back to what I was saying: In a nutshell, for me, spicy writing is easy (I'm not shy about it either), but good writing about erotic encounters is extremely difficult. I'm not there yet, but i keep on trying. 

And when I read it, spicy is often bland and impersonal. I want more than just titillation. I want feeling, emotions and everything that makes a sensual or erotic encounter between characters convincing. Above all, I want it to stimulate my imagination. If it's well written, the detail is superfluous. The reader's imagination fills it all in. The reader sees what the characters see, feels what they feel. The emotional intensity should be so real it might almost be scary. But it also has to be integral to the story, not gratuitous.

And AI can't do that.

I know I did say this very well--it's getting late on the West Coast and I'm signing off. I just wanted to put something out there...

 

Edited yesterday at 05:15 AM by Tomkin Watts