[DomLuka] Aaron Keslin. Evil? Or Just Misunderstood?

[Jay]

There's nothing to fight anymore....let's look at the facts

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5) Luke isn't good enough for Rory. He's a criminal, and he can't be trusted until he admits to Rory, and to himself, that he stole cars. Personally, I think he'd beat Rory if they ever hooked up. He seems like the type.

 

Chapter and verse please where anybody including Aaron says that luke stole cars?

[Matthew]

There's nothing to fight anymore....let's look at the facts

 

 

1) Seth had proven to Rory that he's committed to thier relationship, even though Rory's supposedly leaving.

 

2) Luke is a convicted car thief...that means that he was found guilty in a court of law...I believe that there's more to the story than Rory's telling us.

 

3) Rory is totally being swept off of his feet by Seth. Everytime Seth has been made to look like he was up to something, he has completly proven to Rory that he was doing the right thing.

 

4) Eddie and Jase won't allow Rory and Luke to hook up. Even if they did let it happen, as soon as Luke dissapoints Rory and they break up things can't go back to how they were before.

 

5) Luke isn't good enough for Rory. He's a criminal, and he can't be trusted until he admits to Rory, and to himself, that he stole cars. Personally, I think he'd beat Rory if they ever hooked up. He seems like the type.

 

1)He's proven that he wants to put off thinking about Rory leaving, like Rory has. Two immature people incapable of dealing with reality can't have a strong relationship.

 

2)What could we possibly find out that would make a difference? Aaron admitted it, contrary to his own interests.

 

3)Largely yes, but that's puppy love. This is the rebound relationship, nothing compared to his soulmate at home.

 

4)We don't know that they'd stop it, even if they could. Luke wouldn't disappoint Rory. He's like Mary Poppins, practically perfect in every way.

 

5)I'm not even going to respond to the absurdity of this one.

 

The LRITE way is inevitable. Embrace it.

Edited February 8, 2006 by hi_college_guy

[NickolasJames8]

1)He's proven that he wants to put off thinking about Rory leaving, like Rory has. Two immature people incapable of dealing with reality can't have a strong relationship.

 

2)What could we possibly find out that would make a difference? Aaron admitted it, contrary to his own interests.

 

3)Largely yes, but that's puppy love. This is the rebound relationship, nothing compared to his soulmate at home.

 

4)We don't know that they'd stop it, even if they could. Luke wouldn't disappoint Rory. He's like Mary Poppins, practically perfect in every way.

 

5)I'm not even going to respond to the absurdity of this one.

 

The LRITE way is inevitable. Embrace it.

 

 

Hey, no fair...my post got messed up...let me try again. It's an LR**E conspiracy

 

1)He's proven that he wants to put off thinking about Rory leaving, like Rory has. Two immature people incapable of dealing with reality can't have a strong relationship.

 

2)What could we possibly find out that would make a difference? Aaron admitted it, contrary to his own interests.

 

3)Largely yes, but that's puppy love. This is the rebound relationship, nothing compared to his soulmate at home.

 

4)We don't know that they'd stop it, even if they could. Luke wouldn't disappoint Rory. He's like Mary Poppins, practically perfect in every way.

 

5)I'm not even going to respond to the absurdity of this one.

 

The LRITE way is inevitable. Embrace it.

1) IF Rory and Seth are immature, what does that make Luke?? He doesnt even have the courage to tell Rory how he feels(if Rory's his crush at all)

 

2) We have only heard Rory's side, and we know he's beefing with Aaron, so of course he wants to make Aaron look like the bad guy

 

3) Rebound from what?? A couple of bj's that meant nothing?? Please. What Rory and Aaron had wasn't a relationship.

 

4) Mary Poppins in handcuffs?? In court?? Doing community service??

 

5) Of course you arent going to respond, you can't fight the facts....Luke has evil born into him, from the moment his mother gave birth to him when she was buying a pack of corn nuts out of the vending machine in the trailer park laundry mat.....his dad's in prison, and that's where he'll go someday.

 

 

SRITE's UNITE!!!!

[Alan]

5) Of course you arent going to respond, you can't fight the facts....Luke has evil born into him, from the moment his mother gave birth to him when she was buying a pack of corn nuts out of the vending machine in the trailer park laundry mat.....his dad's in prison, and that's where he'll go someday.

SRITE's UNITE!!!!

 

It's interesting, in purely forensic terms, that the central plank of the SRITE argument is an allegation of fact that outdoes even Aaron's egregious and lugubrious assaults on truth.

[Matthew]

Hey, no fair...my post got messed up...let me try again. It's an LR**E conspiracy

 

 

1) IF Rory and Seth are immature, what does that make Luke?? He doesnt even have the courage to tell Rory how he feels(if Rory's his crush at all)

 

2) We have only heard Rory's side, and we know he's beefing with Aaron, so of course he wants to make Aaron look like the bad guy

 

3) Rebound from what?? A couple of bj's that meant nothing?? Please. What Rory and Aaron had wasn't a relationship.

 

4) Mary Poppins in handcuffs?? In court?? Doing community service??

 

5) Of course you arent going to respond, you can't fight the facts....Luke has evil born into him, from the moment his mother gave birth to him when she was buying a pack of corn nuts out of the vending machine in the trailer park laundry mat.....his dad's in prison, and that's where he'll go someday.

 

 

SRITE's UNITE!!!!

 

1)He's mature enough to not get into a relationship with someone who's leaving

 

2)We've heard it from Aaron's own mouth. And he knew this when he liked Aaron

 

3)Well you may be able to say that. I couldn't say that about what happened between them. It was his first time with anyone, it meant a ton to him. He's incredibly hurt by it, and Seth's taking advantage.

 

4)She often operated outside the law. But beyond that, it could have just as easily been Seth. They were both stupid caring people.

 

5)I think Alan answered this well enough.

 

LRITE Forever!!!

Edited February 8, 2006 by hi_college_guy

[NickolasJames8]

It's interesting, in purely forensic terms, that the central plank of the SRITE argument is an allegation of fact that outdoes even Aaron's egregious and lugubrious assaults on truth.

Oh, no...that's not the central argument....the central argument is the fact that Seth is wrapping Rory around his finger with every little action he takes, every single word he says, every kind deed he does.

Seth is a totally unselfish lover, a thoughtfull, caring person, and he's the one stable person that Rory has in his life......he isn't a deadbeat dad, he isn't a convicted car thief, he doesn't drink and puke all over himself, he isn't the jealous boyfriend of his father, he isn't a scheming Grandmother who has crazy ways and only gives out the facts that she wants to, and he isn't Rory's old, dissconnected friends who probably don't give him a second thought while he's gone......

Seth is the perfect boyfriend for Rory. He has good home training, a good family and he's a good person who always says exactly how he feels....... that's the central plank of the SRITE argument

[Matthew]

The way you misconstrue facts to such a degree is fascinating.

[NickolasJames8]

Explain how I misconsrued any facts at all in that post

[Matthew]

.....he isn't a deadbeat dad...a convicted car thief...he isn't the jealous boyfriend of his father...

 

I don't think other readers would agree with those as fair descriptions

[NickolasJames8]

So what you're saying is that Seth's a deabeat dad and a convicted car thief and Eddies jealous boyfriend??

[Matthew]

So what you're saying is that Seth's a deabeat dad and a convicted car thief and Eddies jealous boyfriend??

 

You know what I meant, but to clarify, those are not fair descriptions of Eddie, Luke, and Jase, respectively, which was implied by your post.

Edited February 8, 2006 by hi_college_guy

[NickolasJames8]

So what you're saying is that Eddie was there for Rory when he was growing up?? I don't remember that part of the story....

and you mean to say that Luke was never convicted of stealing a car, which happened, btw, after he was caught breaking into houses??

As far as Jase goes, everyone can pretty much tell that he wants Rory to go home......he's totally jealous, and he'll do anything to get him out of the picture

[Matthew]

So what you're saying is that Eddie was there for Rory when he was growing up?? I don't remember that part of the story....

and you mean to say that Luke was never convicted of stealing a car, which happened, btw, after he was caught breaking into houses??

As far as Jase goes, everyone can pretty much tell that he wants Rory to go home......he's totally jealous, and he'll do anything to get him out of the picture

 

And all of those things, except maybe Jase, are true. That's why I said that you were misconstruing facts and unfairly labling people, as opposed to using the much uglier word "lying" or making things up

[NickolasJames8]

Rory Loves Seth and Seth's the best person for Rory to be with because he has more to offer Rory....he comes from a stable home, he's sincere and he loves Rory. The end.

[Matthew]

Rory Loves Seth and Seth's the best person for Rory to be with because he has more to offer Rory....he comes from a stable home, he's sincere and he loves Rory. The end.

 

That's never been said, maybe, possible, and the rest is true. But it's not the end yet. We'll see.

[NaperVic]

Nicky!

 

Luke is a convicted car thief...that means that he was found guilty in a court of law...I believe that there's more to the story than Rory's telling us.

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Luke isn't good enough for Rory. He's a criminal, and he can't be trusted until he admits to Rory, and to himself, that he stole cars. Personally, I think he'd beat Rory if they ever hooked up. He seems like the type.

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Of course you arent going to respond, you can't fight the facts....Luke has evil born into him, from the moment his mother gave birth to him when she was buying a pack of corn nuts out of the vending machine in the trailer park laundry mat.....his dad's in prison, and that's where he'll go someday.

 

Making up facts? Disparaging the reputation of others? Manipulating other pieces of information?

 

Nicky, with your most recent series of posts, you are starting to remind me of someone .... *CoughAaron(tls)Cough* !!! Are you channeling him???

 

While LRITEs & SRITEs may disagree with who Rory will end up with, I doubt even SRITEs would agree with your characterization of Luke.

 

Vic

 

LRITES RULE! WHOOO HOOO! (at least for this chapter)

Edited February 8, 2006 by naper_vic

[NickolasJames8]

Nicky!

Making up facts? Disparaging the reputation of others? Manipulating other pieces of information?

 

Nicky, with your most recent series of posts, you are starting to remind me of someone .... *CoughAaron(tls)Cough* !!! Are you channeling him???

 

While LRITEs & SRITEs may disagree with who Rory will end up with, I doubt even SRITEs would agree with your characterization of Luke.

 

Vic

 

LRITES RULE! WHOOO HOOO! (at least for this chapter)

I would never do that....... I only state the facts. Honestly. How many LR**E's want to cross over now, since it's obvious that the movement you guys are in has come to a faster stop than Rueben Studdard's carreer.

[Guest clark]

The guy has been going on about Luke's and Alices future for months, and you still listen to this guy? =P He's just mad Luke has yet not proven to have any intrest in Grandma Alice!

 

No but honestly. Luke seems like the sweetest guy to me, saing he's a criminal and probably a wife... err... husband.. thingy... beater, is just outrageous.

[NickolasJames8]

The guy has been going on about Luke's and Alices future for months, and you still listen to this guy? =P He's just mad Luke has yet not proven to have any intrest in Grandma Alice!

That's just because they havent met yet....if they meet, the sparks of love will fly

 

No but honestly. Luke seems like the sweetest guy to me, saing he's a criminal and probably a wife... err... husband.. thingy... beater, is just outrageous.

Not if you examine the facts.....he was already violent with Rory on several occasions...he forced Rory out of the swimming pool while Rory was simply relaxing at the bottom one night and he violently snatched Aarons number out of Rory's hand(once again proving that he's a thief) the first night Rory was there!!

Let's not forget his unprovoked physical assault on a helpless Aaron at Rick's party.....

 

Time and time again, throughout the story, Luke has proven himself to be a thief, a liar and a domestic abuser....Rory deserves better

[Gearoid]

That's just because they havent met yet....if they meet, the sparks of love will fly

Not if you examine the facts.....he was already violent with Rory on several occasions...he forced Rory out of the swimming pool while Rory was simply relaxing at the bottom one night and he violently snatched Aarons number out of Rory's hand(once again proving that he's a thief) the first night Rory was there!!

Let's not forget his unprovoked physical assault on a helpless Aaron at Rick's party.....

 

Time and time again, throughout the story, Luke has proven himself to be a thief, a liar and a domestic abuser....Rory deserves better

 

 

I absolutely want Rory to stay with Seth - so does that make me a SRite? But of course the whole angst and the genius of this story is that Luke is also a really good option for Rory.

 

I gather from Nick's posts that he would have Luke in a line-up and then doing time with his dad really quick. (I hope I never come across Nick as a prosecuting attorney!) But the bitter sweetness of this story is that whatever happens, a really nice guy will lose out.

 

Not fair, but c'est la vie.

 

(BTW I don't know how to post these damned icons. But imagine a super sad one here.)

 

 

 

regards

 

Gearoid

[AFriendlyFace]

(BTW I don't know how to post these damned icons. But imagine a super sad one here.)

regards

 

Gearoid

Well when you're posting make sure you hit "add reply" and not "fast reply". If you do you should see a big window in which to type, and the "emoticons" (sad and happy faces) will be on the left side in their own little window, all you have to do is click on the one you want, and if you click "show all" it'll open a seperate window for you with a fuller list from which to choose (again just click the one you want).

 

Have an awesome day! and take care

Kevin

[Tim the Traveller]

ok nikki, u seem to have had decent opinions until now, but some things r just out of bounds here and i have to call a foul

 

5) Of course you arent going to respond, you can't fight the facts....Luke has evil born into him, from the moment his mother gave birth to him when she was buying a pack of corn nuts out of the vending machine in the trailer park laundry mat.....his dad's in prison, and that's where he'll go someday.

 

not all of of us are evil, you cant judge us by what our parents are doing when we are born. and that must be quite some trailer park--mine doesn't have a laundromat, let alone a vending machine of any sort.

 

are you implying that just because his dad is in prison that he'll end up there too?? it seems to me that he has no contact with his dad, and i know from first-hand experience that this is the best way to start on a path of not following in your fathers footsteps. luke has a steady job and a drivers license and a jeep to get himself around in, not to mention a good home life, so it's kind of preposterous to even suggest that he'll end up incarcerated.

 

i think you are getting delusional and could possibly need a new drug to counteract the random crazy outrageous thoughts that seem to be running rampant in your mind. i'm not an expert, but i recommend a high dosage of valium and possibly some prozac.

[NickolasJames8]

ok nikki, u seem to have had decent opinions until now, but some things r just out of bounds here and i have to call a foul

not all of of us are evil, you cant judge us by what our parents are doing when we are born. and that must be quite some trailer park--mine doesn't have a laundromat, let alone a vending machine of any sort.

 

are you implying that just because his dad is in prison that he'll end up there too?? it seems to me that he has no contact with his dad, and i know from first-hand experience that this is the best way to start on a path of not following in your fathers footsteps. luke has a steady job and a drivers license and a jeep to get himself around in, not to mention a good home life, so it's kind of preposterous to even suggest that he'll end up incarcerated.

 

i think you are getting delusional and could possibly need a new drug to counteract the random crazy outrageous thoughts that seem to be running rampant in your mind. i'm not an expert, but i recommend a high dosage of valium and possibly some prozac.

Ok, Tim....you need to remember one thing about my post...lt's about a fictional character...in other owrds, he doesn't exist in real life....any post I make on the story is about fictional characters, not real people. If you were offended by my post, just go back and read it again....I didn't happen to mention real life people in it.

 

 

 

 

Disclaimer: Any post I make in relation to any story is in regards to fictional characters, not of actual living persons.

[Rabble_Rouser]

......he isn't a deadbeat dad, he isn't a convicted car thief, he doesn't drink and puke all over himself

 

Nickolas,

 

I wouldn't characterize Eddie as a "deadbeat Dad" even though he wasn't around for Rory when he was growing up (unless you count all the maturity he's starting to show as growth since arriving in Arizona) because if you look at the early chapters of DD you'll find out that Eddie didn't even know that Rory existed until shortly before Rory arrived in Arizona. To me a deadbeat Dad is one who won't take responsibility for his child. You shouldn't hold Eddie's absence against him since Gina lied (at least by ommission) about Rory's existence. Eddie's shown that he probably would have been involved in Rory's life had he been given the opportunity.

 

As for Luke being a Boyfriend beater, the whole grabbing him out of the pool thing, in Luke's defence, was him thinking Rory was drowning (or trying to kill himself which I don't think it's actually possible to purposefully do). I don't think that Luke was particularily fond of Rory at that point (as were many readers) because here was this spoiled little prat coming in and throwing the first stable and loving family Luke's ever been a part of into turmoil.

 

The anger he's shown against Aaron at the party... well if I was lied to by my boyfriend to think I was driving his mother's new car only to find out when I'm arrested that it was stolen, and then to be left holding the bag by my boyfriend (to the point of testifying against Luke), I'd be pretty pissed too!

 

Not going to say anything bad about Seth because there's nothing really bad that's been presented about him at this point.

 

I don't mind that you don't think Luke has anything to offer Rory and Seth has everything but given how favourably Seth is painted, does Rory have anything to offer Seth?

 

Steve

Edited February 10, 2006 by Rabble_Rouser

[AFriendlyFace]

I don't mind that you don't think Luke has anything to offer Rory and Seth has everything but given how favourably Seth is painted, does Rory have anything to offer Seth?

Rory isn't so bad of late actually. I mean he did manage to apologize to Seth on their way to pick up Aaron. He's actually been pretty good about discussing their relationship and problems/feelings. All around he seems to be treating Seth pretty well. His biggest screw up (IMO) was ditching Seth to go talk to Aaron in the park that day. However, he saw this and immediately fixed it.

 

Presumably, though he doesn't really sound it to me, he's also good-looking. Another thing in his favour, at least with regards to Seth, is that he's willing to be at least somewhat assertive. He kissed Seth first. He kept going to Seth's house etc. That he's a good ice-skater

 

Finally, let's not forget Seth's last relationship was with Aaron.

 

Take care all and have a great day,

Kevin