Wrestling dropped from the Olympics as of 2020

[paya]

hmmm.....Depends on which son?

 

(As the cute Puppy about to post a sexy picture, <Slaps puppy self>, "Bad puppy no politics anymore, remember" )

 

Here's a legitimate question, why would doping help Wrestlers? Is it just steroids or are there other drugs?

I think it's about the muscle growth? Maybe more stamina? Less pain?   

[TetRefine]

I think it's about the muscle growth? Maybe more stamina? Less pain? 

 

Doping and steroids are different. Steroids rebuilds your muscles quicker and stronger after a workout. Doping is when you draw your blood out, freeze it, and then reintroduce it into your body before competition. It gives the blood increased oxygen, and therefor increases the amount of energy you have to expend in order to become fatigued. Basically, it allows you to go longer before you feel tired and depleted. So it would make sense for wrestlers to blood dope I guess. 

[PrivateTim]

Doest that mean that the IOC would be less corrupt if there were Americans in it?

 

Wrestling has only had 6 or 7 incidents of drug usage vs about 40 for both Athletics (track & field for Americans) and weightlifting. And few medals have been stripped in wrestling, but too many to count in weightlifting and athletics. Cycling isn't much better. No, doping was not the reason.

 

And yes, the IOC would be greatly less corrupt with a Canadian or American or two on the board. The IOC has been famously corrupt. In the wrestling world European coaches clamor over getting a Canadian or American referee because they know they will get an honest official. The same can not be said for most European officials.

 

Doping and steroids are different. Steroids rebuilds your muscles quicker and stronger after a workout. Doping is when you draw your blood out, freeze it, and then reintroduce it into your body before competition. It gives the blood increased oxygen, and therefor increases the amount of energy you have to expend in order to become fatigued. Basically, it allows you to go longer before you feel tired and depleted. So it would make sense for wrestlers to blood dope I guess. 

 

Blood doping would be of no advantage to a wrestler, you see blood doping in mostly endurance sports like cycling and long distance running. Until 2012 every violation in wrestling had been for a form of steroids. In 2012 an Uzebeky wrestler was using a newly banned stimulant. The bitch for him is that the stimulent is often used in enery drinks and bars and not listed under the banned name as an ingredient. It is pretty easy to violate WADA rules if someone is not monitoring you on a regular basis. Almost any US over the counter cold medication could make you test positive.

[Zombie]

In the wrestling world European coaches clamor over getting a Canadian or American referee because they know they will get an honest official. The same can not be said for most European officials.

 

So, according to Tim, "most European officials" are not honest. Glad to see he's maintaining the same quality standards that we enjoyed so much in "another place" *peace and blessings be upon it ... may it rest in peace*

[PrivateTim]

So, according to Tim, "most European officials" are not honest. Glad to see he's maintaining the same quality standards that we enjoyed so much in "another place" *peace and blessings be upon it ... may it rest in peace*

 

Good to see your ignorance extends to many fields, it is important to be well rounded

[Zombie]

Good to see your ignorance extends to many fields, it is important to be well rounded

 

Ouch! Well, the least we can ask for is some independent verification, or readers might think you're making a sweeping fact-free swipe at "European officials" which - despite being separated by the English Channel and despite the claims of euro-refuseniks - I guess is intended also to include officials from this green and pleasant land of cricket and fair play

 

[W_L]

Gentlemen and zombies

 

Lets all compromise and blame the French

 

Thanks for describing doing effects and wrestling. Sounds like steroids are far more likely issue than dope.

 

I wonder why do countries need the Olympics to compete against each other in wrestling. Shouldn't sport and recreation be based on personal interests rather than national pride nowadays if there is enough people supporting it?

[TetRefine]

Gentlemen and zombies

 

Lets all compromise and blame the French

 

 

 

I second blaming the French!

[PrivateTim]

I wonder why do countries need the Olympics to compete against each other in wrestling. Shouldn't sport and recreation be based on personal interests rather than national pride nowadays if there is enough people supporting it?

 

By that logic, why would there ever need to be an Olympics for any sport?

 

Sports like swimming, wrestling, gymnastics, figure skating, etc ONLY get recognition every four years. Many people can rattle off Olympic champions in those sports, but how many can name the World Champion from the years preceding or anteceding the Olympics?

 

That is why sports like tennis and golf don't belong in the Olympics, especially when the pros are invited, maybe even basketball for the men. Those athletes get attention, accolades and fat endorsement contracts every year.

 

For Zombie, track down Malcolm Morley, he'll have a story or two or ten for you about wrestling on the Continent.

[Zombie]

You can't write off "most European officials" as being dishonest. Some judges make mistakes. Some make crazy decisions sometimes. And national bias does and will sometimes happen. And I've no doubt Malcolm Morley and other seasoned professionals have a bag of horror stories.

 

Really, it's no different to you shouting at the TV during an NFL or NBA game [whatever floats your boat] and accusing the ref of being a less than honest citizen of questionable parentage
 

Edited February 19, 2013 by Zombie

[PrivateTim]

You can't write off "most European officials" as being dishonest. Some judges make mistakes. Some make crazy decisions sometimes. And national bias does and will sometimes happen. And I've no doubt Malcolm Morley and other seasoned professionals have a bag of horror stories.

 

Yes actually I can write off most (more than 50%) European FILA referees at the OC category as being dishonest. That is one reason international wrestling uses three officials at a time and they "vote" on the scores. Since the advent of video replays cheating has become harder, but more subtle. A head official can effect the outcome a match by whom he assigns to a particular match and to which position he puts them.

 

I will says that things improved markedly since Milian Ercegan stepped down. Raphi Martinetti and Mario Seletnig have made valient efforts to clean up the sport, but that may come to a halt with Martinetti's resignation.

Edited February 19, 2013 by PrivateTim

[Zombie]

Yes actually I can write off most (more than 50%) European FILA referees at the OC category as being dishonest.

 

He who asserts must prove. You've produced no evidence

[W_L]

He who dissent must represent a point,

 

If there is no point doesn't it make both sides of an argument pointless.

 

So what is your point zombie? I do want to know. Tim makes a bold claim and you refute him, but I do not know where you stand.

 

Afterward lets grab a pint at the local pub to cheer our favorite sports.

[Zombie]

He who dissent must represent a point,

 

If there is no point doesn't it make both sides of an argument pointless.

 

So what is your point zombie? I do want to know. Tim makes a bold claim and you refute him, but I do not know where you stand.

 

Afterward lets grab a pint at the local pub to cheer our favorite sports.

 

"He who asserts must prove" is a basic rule of evidence which Tim will be familiar with. Tim made an assertion and has, so far, refused or been unable to back it up. You claim something to be a fact you should be able to show it is. It's not rocket science

 

[option]

Should of course point out that the current/modern olympics has no connection with the original greek olympics

[PrivateTim]

Should of course point out that the current/modern olympics has no connection with the original greek olympics

 

I think Baron Pierre de Coubertin would disagree.

[BlueSoxSWJ]

Is there any legit explanation why they are doing this?

 

Legit?  No.  Simple?  yes.  Money.

[option]

I think Baron Pierre de Coubertin would disagree.

 

There is no direct connection between the ancient greek olympics & the modern olympic games

so any arguments for retaining wrestling based on 'because it was in the original olympics' are void. theres loads of other 'sports' that were also in the greek olympics & no longer exist, therefore if you want to use this as the basis, you must support the re-introduction of those events.

 

 

Baron Pierre de Coubertin founded the International Olympic Committee (IOC) in 1894.

 

the ancient olympics (greek) ended approx 400AD

 

PC was inspired by a 1890 visit to the Wenlock Olympic Games, which had been founded in 1850

the National Olympian Association (UK) was founded in 1865, & held the first Olympic Games in London in 1866.

there were annual Olympic Games held in Liverpool 1862-1867, & their programme of events was used for the 1896 games (the first modern ones under the IOC)

 

 

 

there was no wrestling at the 1900 Paris Games

the 1904 Games only had 1 nation participating in wrestling (the US)

so theres 2 Olympics in a row that didnt have wrestling as an international event

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wrestling_at_the_Summer_Olympics

[PrivateTim]

There is no direct connection between the ancient greek olympics & the modern olympic games

so any arguments for retaining wrestling based on 'because it was in the original olympics' are void. theres loads of other 'sports' that were also in the greek olympics & no longer exist, therefore if you want to use this as the basis, you must support the re-introduction of those events.

 

it depends on how you choose to define "direct connection".

 

It was not an accident that the first games of the modern era were held in Greece, nor that the games are held every four years, nor an accident that to this day the Olympic torch is lit in Olympia at the Temple of Hera.

 

There were not "loads of other sports" that no longer exist. There is still athletics, equestrian events, boxing, a pentathlon and pankration events. That the events have taken on slightly different forms like Equestrian Jumping instead of chariot races doesn't alter the fact that the event's themes are very similar centuries later.

 

Lastly, if you are going to copy and paste from Wikipedia, that should be done in a quote box.

[wildone]

So wrestling is not dead..yet.

 

The IOC put forward 3 sports to be considered for the 2020 Games. Wrestling, Baseball/Softball and Squash were the 3 of the 8 sports to go to the final vote which should be held in September. Only one will be voted to appear in the 2020 Games.

 

http://www.cbc.ca/sports/story/2013/05/29/sp-ioc-meetings-russia-sochi-2020-olympics-wrestling-sports.html

[Zombie]

So wrestling is not dead..yet.

 

The IOC put forward 3 sports to be considered for the 2020 Games. Wrestling, Baseball/Softball and Squash were the 3 of the 8 sports to go to the final vote which should be held in September. Only one will be voted to appear in the 2020 Games.

 

 

And the winner iiiiis ..... WRESTLING!!

 

Wrestling has been reinstated as an Olympic sport for the 2020 and 2024 Games after being voted in ahead of baseball/softball and squash. International Olympic Committee (IOC) members conducted a secret electronic ballot on the issue in Buenos Aires. Wrestling had been dropped from the 2020 Olympic programme in February after the IOC assessed the performance of all 26 sports at London 2012.

 

Wrestling was axed back in February and it has waged a very successful campaign ever since then to be reinstated. Wrestling, squash and baseball/softball have all spent millions of pounds on their campaigns to convince the IOC they should be in the Olympics.

 

Wrestling - which was the favourite - received a majority of 49 votes, while a combined baseball/softball bid got 24 votes and squash 22. The sport - one of the original disciplines at the Ancient Olympics - had been due to end its Olympic participation at Rio 2016 following its dismissal by the IOC earlier this year.

 

Members of amateur wrestling's world governing body, the International Federation of Associated Wrestling Styles (Fila), gave a roar when the result was announced by IOC president Jacques Rogge. Wrestling's triumph in the vote follows a number of sweeping reforms made following its exclusion, including overhauling its rules, administration, gender equality and operations.

 

Squash suffered its third failed bid to take part in the Games for a first time. It had topped an IOC vote in 2005 for Olympic inclusion but failed to get the required two-thirds majority. It then failed again in 2009.

"Today's decision is heart-breaking for the millions of squash players around the world, particularly given the 10-year journey we have

 

Baseball/softball - which had the son of ex-Cuban leader Fidel Castro, Antonio Castro, in its presentation team - last featured at the Beijing Olympics in 2008. Wrestling, which combines freestyle and Greco-Roman events, was included in the inaugural modern Olympics in Athens in 1896. It has been in every Games since, apart from Paris in 1900. At London 2012, it featured 344 athletes competing in 11 medal events. The success of its bid showed the sport had not suffered from a reprimand its federation received last week from the IOC for breaching rules.

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/olympics/24009517

 

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Edited September 9, 2013 by Zombie

[Slytherin]

I like wrestling   and as you said,Zombie - "one of the original disciplines at the Ancient Olympics" so I am happy

Edited September 9, 2013 by slytherin

[hh5]

lol, when its Tokyo turn ... wrestling become sumo

[Zombie]

Thought it might be helpful and educational to post a couple of pics of some hot wrestling action







*coughs* absolutely nothing gratuitously homoerotic about these pics *splutters* nope, not at all 
 

[Y_B]

I'm surprised by the Americans who are upset over the end of a "sport" that doesn't involve a ball.