[Sasha Distan] Redemption's A Bitch

[dughlas]

Damn dughlas...you are reading this now..I feel so left out... ...it's lonely out here...

With the ending of DC I was feeling a bit of lessening in the SashaForce... and we all keep telling Tim to finish DC I thought it seemed time for me to start reading...

[Caz Pedroso]

Rebecca is turning into a right bridezilla. The dogs and Kieran were there first, she should think about what will happen if she chases him away. Her finance would grow to resent her chasing off his only relative. 

 

As for Kieran, change doesn't happen overnight but he is going in the right direction. 

 

I'm sure Robin will be able to teach him ALL he needs to know. 

[Kitt]

Will you guys PLEASE read faster?  You all need to remember I am several chapters ahead of you and am not allowed to give any hints of what is coming.

[Caz Pedroso]

Will you guys PLEASE read faster?  You all need to remember I am several chapters ahead of you and am not allowed to give any hints of what is coming.

 

What chapter are you on?

[Irritable1]

Good lord, how I hate all these people. I can't understand how you made my sympathies veer round to support Rebecca, Sasha, but you've done it. Dogs who snatch randomly at poisonous food and bite if they're touched. Lovely.

 

Edit: We were still living in San Francisco when this happened. I've just got no sympathy with this kind of craziness at all.

 

Edit 2: But I'll say this much for the Rebecca-haters: she should find an apartment/flat that she can afford (does she even have a job?) and invite Shastan to join her there after the wedding. That would be showing some self-respect, rather than trying to throw Kieran out of his own home.

 

Good LORD, how I hate all these people.

Edited September 2, 2014 by Irritable1

[Timothy M.]

I'm glad I didn't reply until after your second edit, Irri.

While I can quite sympathize with BtB (Becca the Bitch) for being angry with the dog, her reactions were once again way over the line. She would have been within her rights to demand the dogs were kept mainly in Kier's part of the house and maybe also to demand some better control in the joint parts (which I assume that living room was). And I can't really blame her for not thinking about keeping the stuff away from the floor, since she's hardly seen the dogs so far. On the other hand, if they ever get children, what will she do the first time her kid destroys something left within reach by accident or thoughtless behavior?

But saying the dogs and Kier had to go - that just shows what a selfish, uncaring, annoying female she is. Oh, and reading the incident again, I realize Kier DID apologize to her (I thought it was Shastan at first). And Shastan once again did not put his foot down ("Babe, please"  ), he really pisses me off. Just tell her to shut up and behave, you sissy.   Or tell her get her own place, like Irri said. But I guess calling off the wedding would not be a good idea, since things seem to develop nicely with Robin now.

 

Irri, maybe we should get into happy mode about the Kiss - and the cameo of Oli and Buddy.

[dughlas]

Will you guys PLEASE read faster? You all need to remember I am several chapters ahead of you and am not allowed to give any hints of what is coming.

Can't read faster than the chapters post ... you could whisper really quietly and the wolf might not hear you.

 

Good lord, how I hate all these people. I can't understand how you made my sympathies veer round to support Rebecca, Sasha, but you've done it. Dogs who snatch randomly at poisonous food and bite if they're touched. Lovely.

 

Edit: We were still living in San Francisco when this happened. I've just got no sympathy with this kind of craziness at all.

I understand your feelings to an extent and have no illusion of changing you mind. However to those of us with dogs the attack you reference and what happened here are two entirely different situations. In the case of the fatal attack the dogs had been made into something unnatural by the humans responsible for them. In the story Rebecca attacked the dog by grabbing it violently by the fur and the dog responded in surprise by warning her off. It did not bite nor attack but rather snapped just as it would if attacked by another animal. A purely natural defensive response. Humans recognize the dogs behavior in eating the chocolates as inappropriate but to the dog the candy was fair game until told otherwise. Remember too that this is the dogs home and not yet Rebecca's. Something she seems to forget regularly. While you may not agree Rebecca is at fault here and her behavior was inappropriate. Kieran's dogs are remarkably well trained. Then rather that recognize her misdeeds she compounds the problem by demanding the dogs go and forgetting it is Kieran's home suggests he get out too. Nope Kieran and the dogs are not at fault and she is far over the line. Edited September 2, 2014 by dughlas

[Irritable1]

I absolutely don't agree with either of you, Tim, or Dughlas. 

 

If a dog's owner believes that it's "suicidal" to approach his or her dog from behind, then it's time to evacuate the premises, because no one is safe in that dog's vicinity. I've had dogs, I've lived in the close vicinity of wild dogs, and I'm friends with people with dogs. It's simply not a part of my expectations that I should have to defend myself against bites, or live with dogs that bite. No can do, sorry.

 

Edit: Oh and as for the chocolate grabbing, obviously that's bad behavior, especially given that huskies can be trained to wait to eat actual dog food till they get the signal. But it's dangerous given that dogs should not be eating chocolate at all, it makes them ill, and apparently there is no way for anyone but Kieran to stop them.

Edited September 2, 2014 by Irritable1

[Irritable1]

 

 

Irri, maybe we should get into happy mode about the Kiss -

 

What do you think will happen to Robin the first time those guys have a fight, with four untrained overprotective dogs hanging about? Did you hear that growling back at the beginning? You know how common it is to have a well-trained dog growl when someone taps its owner on the chest? Here, have another local story!

 

Eeesh. Time for me to take a break. You guys are all Wrong on the Internet!

 

Oh hey, did I mention that this spring two bulldogs broke through a fence to attack the babysitter and the Glint when they were taking the babysitter's Pomeranian for a walk? The babysitter got between the dogs and the Glint, I'm pretty sure, because she and her dog were well-bitten, the Pom quite badly, and the Glint was not, just rattled. Those weren't fighting dogs. Just untrained.

Edited September 2, 2014 by Irritable1

[Timothy M.]

Irri I agree the dog behaved badly, and Kier needs to think about how to accustom them to other people being in the house (since Robin will hopefully visit often, and Kier may want to see his friends and even invite a few of his own from now on).

 

So no one is blaming Becca for being upset, but I'm saying her reaction = demanding Kier and the dogs are thrown out - now that was cruel bitchy behavior - and did you notice her first rant after the initial shout. It wasn't: "Kier, why can't you control your dog!" or "Look what your stupid dog did, you thoughtless idiot." No it was:

“You really have to ruin everything don’t you Kieran?”

 

I'm betting BtB was just waiting for an opportunity to demand that Kier should leave 'her' house. She is manipulation, devious, self-centered (as is Kier) and even her brother doesn't particularly like her.

 

And Robin would be in no danger, because he would get to know the dogs and they would feel how highly Kier thinks of him, so he gets to be another top dog in the hieraki. Plus the dogs have been really well trained and behaved in every other scene so far even when they do act angry (as with the bully and Ash-ley).

 

Sasha, you prediction of general shouting in the forum came true.

Edited September 2, 2014 by Timothy M.

[Irritable1]

 

 

“You really have to ruin everything don’t you Kieran?”

 

Well, I disliked her before and I dislike her even more now, if that's any comfort to you. But at the moment I dislike her slightly less than I dislike anyone else except maybe Robin---who, speaking of suicidal...

 

Edit: 

 

 

Sasha, you prediction of general shouting in the forum came true. 

 

I aim to please. But also I live at the epicenter of dubious dog ownership. Note that I linked only tales of adult deaths above. Mauled babies and toddlers are a dime a dozen around here. I always bought into the theory that it was the kid's fault till I had kids and had wild-eyed dog owners start shoving their reluctant dogs at my toddler. "He LOVES KIDS. REALLY IT'S OKAY!" right up till the first snapping point. Now I'm always the bad guy.

Edited September 2, 2014 by Irritable1

[Sasha Distan]

What chapter are you on?

Kitt has been sent up to chapter 19.

 

 

Good lord, how I hate all these people. I can't understand how you made my sympathies veer round to support Rebecca, Sasha, but you've done it. Dogs who snatch randomly at poisonous food and bite if they're touched. Lovely.

 

I was gonna say: what he said...

I understand your feelings to an extent and have no illusion of changing you mind. However to those of us with dogs the attack you reference and what happened here are two entirely different situations. In the case of the fatal attack the dogs had been made into something unnatural by the humans responsible for them. In the story Rebecca attacked the dog by grabbing it violently by the fur and the dog responded in surprise by warning her off. 

 

but having read the rest of the thread, I am not going to get into this argument. Y'all know which side of the line I am standing on, and I am not going to comment on either fictional situations or real life ones I know nothing apart apart from media reports.

My only response is that I was brought up by one parents who geared dogs and one who loved them, and that I was attacked by dogs as a child, and yet, the greatest, most selfless creatures I have known have been dogs. They are as different as humans are.

[Kitt]

What chapter are you on?

LOL I am glad Sasha answered that one - I was just going to say that would be tattling!

 

Can't read faster than the chapters post ... you could whisper really quietly and the wolf might not hear you.

 

 

The wolf has much too good a set of ears!  

 

 

Now - as for the poor behavior of the dogs, the poor behavior of the bride to be, the poor behavior of the groom, and that of the budding couple...

 

 

The dog should not have raided the basket - that is a given. Even had it not been filled with things that could potentially kill him. I would be willing to put money on the idea however that knowing choco is bad for the dogs this was the first time it was ever left within range. I am not much on chocolate ( yeah, I know - its odd for a woman not to be into choco) but even I think the smell is heavenly. The dog has been smelling this terrific stuff and suddenly there is his chance to taste. Even the best trained dogs goof once in a while.

 

As for the "attack" - had someone grabbed me by the skin on the back of my neck and yanked - I would turn snapping and snarling too, and I am a logical adult human.  The dog growling at Ash-lay was not an indication of poor training, it was the dog picking up on his masters feelings. I had a golden retriever that I only heard growl once in the 14 yrs I had him, at a salesman in to give us an estimate on a new furnace. We chose not to deal with him. He was not the best estimate, nor the worst, but I trusted the dog's evaluation of the man.

 

Becca didn't accuse Kier of failing to control the dogs, as Tim noted. She accused him of trying to ruin everything. That's a huge leap, assuming that Kier set the dog out to destroy wedding favors.

 

Ok - So maybe Becca will eventually be living in the house. She does not as yet. What gives her the right to make decisions on who does live there, and what pets he may own?  The home IS Kierans, NOW, and if anyone had a right to say get out it would have been him when she demanded his dogs be removed.

She has let herself into Kieran's private spaces already. She obviously feels entitled to go where she wants and do what she wants regardless of boundaries, so keeping the dogs to Kierans portion of the house would be ineffectual. The shit would have hit the fan in my home a long time ago - the first time I caught her entering my private areas.

 

Shastan needs to grow a set. Kieran has been living with him since he was 15 yrs old, the better part of a decade. (Just how old IS Kier Sasha?) Had someone come into my home, make free with my private space, then accuse my only living relative, who also lives there, of trying to ruin her little world and demand he and the dog(s) be removed, the only thing removed would have been her, by the collar and the seat of her britches. I have in fact escorted in-laws from my home in this manner so believe me when I say it would happen!

 

And in fact Kier did apologize for the incident. Did Becca?  So - it is now ok to go into someones home and toss them and their pets out on the street because you don't like them or the pets? Becca not only over reacted, she acted as though she has rights she does not!

 

The person I feel the worst for is Robin.  How would you like to have a sister who arbitrarily seems to hate your newest love interest, says and does everything she can to be mean to the man, and does not respect you enough to let you make your own decisions?  Talk about being caught between a rock and a hard place!

Edited September 2, 2014 by Kitt

[Irritable1]

Tim likes to quote scripture and I thought I'd take a shot at it too, the bit about the dogs gobbling up Jezebel, but it's too gruesome, so I'll just say check out the second book of Kings, Chapter 9, near the end....  Point is they could just feed Becca to the huskies instead of chocolate and then they could all live happily ever after   

 

Seriously, I should take a break. I can see that Kieran is beginning to think about the effect of his actions, but.... we just wouldn't ever get along at all.

[dughlas]

Gee... yeah, what Kitt said.

[Kitt]

Tim likes to quote scripture and I thought I'd take a shot at it too, the bit about the dogs gobbling up Jezebel, but it's too gruesome, so I'll just say check out the second book of Kings, Chapter 9, near the end....  Point is they could just feed Becca to the huskies instead of chocolate and then they could all live happily ever after   

 

Seriously, I should take a break. I can see that Kieran is beginning to think about the effect of his actions, but.... we just wouldn't ever get along at all.

No one likes everyone, nor should they!  It would make for a very boring world indeed!  Can you not like Robin and dislike Kier?   Hmmm - turning Becca to puppy food - that has possibilities...although it may be difficult to get them to eat something as distasteful as Becca!

[Sasha Distan]

No eating of any characters please. No one is going to jail for murder in this book.

[Charmed88]

Though I don't agree that the dogs should eat Rebecca, I do agree she needs to calm herself. Being a bride-to-be, is no excuse to behave like that, especially when you're financially secure (which is one of the big reason some brides worry). Kieran can also lighten up a bit, he was partly angry because for the 1st time in his life, everything isn't going his way. At the end of the day a move is inevitable. Especially considering that both Kieran & Rebecca have strong personalities. That just would never work and poor Shastan would always be caught in the middle. The only way I can see them all coexisting, is if Kieran actually does remodel again. He could section the house off somehow, but still be able to visit his cousin apart like a neighbor. Makes sense I think

Edited September 3, 2014 by Charmed88

[Sasha Distan]

Now on the Robin & Kieran kiss, I hope Robin doesn't fold to easily. Yes, I'm glad that they had this long awaited special moment, but...I just dont like the thought of him giving himself over so easily and completely to Kieran after being so strong. I really want Kieran to earn a catch like Robin.

 

worry not!

[Irritable1]

 

No eating of any characters please. No one is going to jail for murder in this book.

 

Gosh you guys. I'm doing my best to fit in here.

 

Ok, try this for spinoff fanfic. 

 

Rebecca insists that Suk gets more training and Kieran agrees to keep the peace. Rebecca asks around and the man who has the best relationship with his dog in Brighton is... Alexander Volkov... so off they go for an informal session.  Alex's elder-statesman routine is no match in Anastasia's eyes for Suk's youthful virility   The stress causes Alex's hold on his humanity, already precarious, to vanish entirely. He goes canine. The three of them vanish onto the downs to form the nucleus of a very unstable pack indeed, and you know that's not going to end well for Alex, but oh well 

 

Rebecca, who does all things in excess, tries in her penitence  to join the Monks of New Skete, and upon her rejection, forms a new, female, order of celibate dog trainers to supply hospitals with therapy dogs (you know, the nice ones who don't snap and snarl and growl all the time  ).

 

Andrea wanders into downtown Brighton to cheer herself up, runs into Matty and Shastan, who are feeling similarly  about the preceding events, and takes them home with her to form a menage a trois centered on an older woman, which NEVER happens on GA and this is MY fanfic and I deserve to get some fictional wish fulfillment too, so shut up 

 

Left alone in a giant house with three undisciplined dogs, Kieran is moved to seek some counseling for his antisocial tendencies, and makes quite a nice partner for Robin 

 

And they all live happily ever after.

 

Ok?

Edited September 3, 2014 by Irritable1

[Sasha Distan]

Gosh you guys. I'm doing my best to fit in here.

 

Ok, try this for spinoff fanfic. 

 

Rebecca insists that Suk gets more training and Kieran agrees to keep the peace. Rebecca asks around and the man who has the best relationship with his dog in Brighton is... Alexander Volkov... so off they go for an informal session.  Alex's elder-statesman routine is no match in Anastasia's eyes for Suk's youthful virility   The stress causes Alex's hold on his humanity, already precarious, to vanish entirely. He goes canine. The three of them vanish onto the downs to form the nucleus of a very unstable pack indeed, and you know that's not going to end well for Alex, but oh well 

 

Rebecca, who does all things in excess, tries in her penitence  to join the Monks of New Skete, and upon her rejection, forms a new, female, order of celibate dog trainers to supply hospitals with therapy dogs (you know, the nice ones who don't snap and snarl and growl all the time  ).

 

Andrea wanders into downtown Brighton to cheer herself up, runs into Matty and Shastan, who are feeling similarly  about the preceding events, and takes them home with her to form a menage a trois centered on an older woman, which NEVER happens on GA and this is MY fanfic and I deserve to get some fictional wish fulfillment too, so shut up 

 

Left alone in a giant house with three undisciplined dogs, Kieran is moved to seek some counseling for his antisocial tendencies, and makes quite a nice partner for Robin 

 

And they all live happily ever after.

 

Ok?

 

keep her away from my keyboard...

[Irritable1]

keep her away from my keyboard...

 

Aw 

[Timothy M.]

It had me running away from the forum as fast as possible. I'm still trying to get rid of the images...

[Irritable1]

It had me running away from the forum as fast as possible. I'm still trying to get rid of the images...

 

You pick the oddest times to get fastidious, Tim... never mind, it's Oli day.

[Kitt]