The best (unconfirmed) same sex couples in Sci-fi and Fantasy

[W_L]

Science fiction and fantasy has inspired a lot of fan speculation about relationships, most of them are just fanfiction or otherwise proven or disproved when one character reveals their feelings or gets into an heterosexual relationship. However, beyond fanfiction hopes and absolutely proof or disavowal, there are great couples with chemistry that just go unconfirmed.

For me, I think the best same sex couple to subtly hit mainstream audiences without anyone actually realizing was R2-D2 and C3PO from Star Wars, technically they are droids, but machines can have gender identities, too in the Star Wars universe. I was born a decade after the original movie, but I've re-watched their interactions in the original trilogy and the prequel trilogy, it feels like they are a couple. Since they are both male by their gender identity, it makes them one of the first mainstream unconfirmed gay couples in science fiction. Also, C3PO's actor, over all the films, Anthony Daniels, is openly gay.

That got me to think, despite the obvious though unconfirmed relationship between these male droids of Star Wars, what other unconfirmed same sex couples are there in fiction?

I do think Legolas and Gimli are an unconfirmed couple, but it might be my head canon due to short story after the war, saying they spent years traveling together after the war.

 

 

Edited May 27, 2021 by W_L
Fixed Reference, the short story I was thinking of actually did not occur in Simarilion, but rather supplemental material from Tolkien

[BigBen]

Tolkien would have probably denied it, but you are definitely on to something.  And of course, Frodo and Samwise are as much of a couple as David and Jonathan, and likely intentionally.  I'd also have loved Faramir and Eomer to have had more of a relationship.

As for mainstream sf, there are two potential couples I can think of:  Asimov's Daneel Olivaw and Lije Baley, and Fletcher Neihardt and his cousin Jeremy (or possibly his other cousin J.R.), in Cherryh's novel, Finity's End.  I had hopes, for a time, that something might develop between Bren Cameron and Jase Graham in Cherryh's Foreigner series, but alas, it was not to be.

I also had hopes that several of the guys in Weber's Honorverse would get together, but I don't think Weber would ever be comfortable writing a gay male couple.

P.S.—Bujold never wrote a sequel to Ethan of Athos, so we can still hold out hope for Ethan and Terrence C, I guess.

Edited May 27, 2021 by BigBen

[Timothy M.]

Tolkien might have objected more to the ide of an Elf and a Dwarf being a couple, than them being males.  Although Gimli did admire Galadriel, and it's said that he sailed West with Legolas in order to see her again. But I don't think The Simarillion has info about them, it's from the Appendices of LotR. The Simarillion is about the First Age.

[W_L]

1 hour ago, Timothy M. said:

Tolkien might have objected more to the ide of an Elf and a Dwarf being a couple, than them being males.  Although Gimli did admire Galadriel, and it's said that he sailed West with Legolas in order to see her again. But I don't think The Simarillion has info about them, it's from the Appendices of LotR. The Simarillion is about the First Age.

I think you are right, it's been a while since I read the books. I know their post-war travels weren't in the main books, I thought it was in the Simarilion probably due to it being the supplemental short stories Tolkien wrote, but were not published during his lifetime.

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Confirmed from wiki: It's in the Appendix to Return of the King, when Legolas and Gimli sailed west together. Legolas had the ship built and invited Gimli to come along as his "closest friend", (Boyfriend, maybe )

https://lotr.fandom.com/wiki/Legolas#After_the_war

https://lotr.fandom.com/wiki/Gimli#Life_after_the_War

I am not sure if it was Galadriel that really prompted Gimli. Like you alluded, Tolkien, through the elvish Lords of the West could have denied him entry as he's a Dwarf, there was no precedent for affection and Galadriel didn't show any indication she'd be open to his advances, and honestly if Legolas didn't build the ship and invite him, he'd just be running his little dwarf realm. However, he never returned, so I assume they accepted him. Unless Galadriel had a radical turn falling for Gimli in his advanced age, my feeling was they just accepted Gimli and Legolas' relationship.

This is where head canon comes into play, after a long while of not reading an old book, you start creating stories with the characters and lining things up. That's one of the things about re-reading books or re-watching old movies/shows, somethings really are just imagined hopes by fans and other things are open to speculation like this.

 

Edited May 27, 2021 by W_L

[BigBen]

While Gimli may have hoped to see Galadriel again, I have always seen Gimli's adoration for her as being like a courtly knight's devotion to his lady.  Galadriel was, from all accounts, devoted to Celeborn.  While, if memory serves, Galadriel interceded on Gimli's behalf with the Valar, it was for the sake of his friendship with Legolas, as I've always understood it.

It was also Sam's friendship with Frodo that earned him a journey into the West, albeit many years after Frodo's departure with Elrond, Galadriel, and Gandalf.  Of course, Sam also bore the Ring for a time, and that was another reason for his being permitted to leave Middle Earth.  (There may be an inconsistency here, however, since it was Arwen's place on the ship that Frodo is supposed to have taken.)

As far as couples go, I wonder sometimes about Gandalf and Saruman. . . .

Edited May 27, 2021 by BigBen

[W_L]

28 minutes ago, BigBen said:

As far as couples go, I wonder sometimes about Gandalf and Saruman. . . .

Gandalf and Saruman would heighten the tension and drama of Saruman betrayal. Personally, I view Gandalf as an Asexual, he just doesn't care for women, men, or other folk in Middle Earth.

A lot of people ship Gandalf and Galandriel together, but they always seemed more BFF or gay/asexual guy and girlfriend in terms of how I view their relationship. However, like I did above with Gimli and Legolas, I guess we all have colored perspective based on how we view these characters.

[Timothy M.]

On 5/28/2021 at 12:26 AM, W_L said:

I am not sure if it was Galadriel that really prompted Gimli.

I don't think it was a romantic interest from Gimli. She showed him kindness and understanding, and he admired her, but in a platonic way, is the way I see it. Just as @BigBen describes it. So it does not prevent a bromance between Gimli and Legolas.

This quote is from the end of Appendix A III Durin's Folk, and it actually supports the idea of love between them (as well as being one of my favorite LotR quotes):

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But when King Elessar gave up his life Legolas followed at last the desire of his heart and sailed over the Sea.

Here follows one of the last notes in the Red Book

We have heard tell that Legolas took Gimli Glóin's son with him because of their great friendship, greater than any that has been between Elf and Dwarf. It this is true, then it is strange indeed; that any Dwarf should be willing to leave Middle-earth for any love, or that the Eldar should receive him, or that the Lords of the West should permit it. But it is said that Gimli went also out of desire to see again the beauty of Galadriel; and it may be that she, being mighty among the Eldar, obtained this grace for him. More cannot be said of this matter.

So I have to say your idea has merit.

On 5/28/2021 at 1:31 AM, BigBen said:

While Gimli may have hoped to see Galadriel again, I have always seen Gimli's adoration for her as being like a courtly knight's devotion to his lady. 

YES ! Exactly.

I always liked the idea of Merry and Pippin together.

Edited May 29, 2021 by Timothy M.

[W_L]

@Timothy M.Thanks for pulling the excerpt, it's really sweet

Legolas and Gimli may never leave the closet, but at least we get a closing shot of them traveling together and most likely staying together in the undying lands, I can't think of anything more poetic or romantic for High Fantasy's unconfirmed gay couple. Between those discussion and the ones on Roman literature, I'm re-reading a lot of older stories.

Pippin and Merry struck me less as a couple, though, more like best friends who fooled around (probably without sex) and tried to help out everyone. I recall Pippin becoming the Hobbit's leader after the events of the books and having kids, too.

They become solid heroes by the end of the Return of the King (too bad we never saw their fight to save the Shire at the end of Return of the King, but I guess Peter Jackson had already killed Saruman in the DVD cut of the movie, so it makes movie sense)

Edited May 29, 2021 by W_L

[Timothy M.]

51 minutes ago, W_L said:

Pippin and Merry struck me less as a couple, though, more like best friends who fooled around (probably without sex) and tried to help out everyone.

I suggested them as a couple, not Ben (sorry if I confused matters). But I think you're right about them just being good friends.

[W_L]

24 minutes ago, Timothy M. said:

I suggested them as a couple, not Ben (sorry if I confused matters). But I think you're right about them just being good friends.

Just fixed the reference, Merry and Pippin are really a good fanfic pairing, especially based on the movies Still in-book and resources, they're really good friends, not sure if Merry ever had kids though.

Edited May 29, 2021 by W_L

[Zuri]

On 5/26/2021 at 11:18 PM, W_L said:

I do think Legolas and Gimli are an unconfirmed couple, but it might be my head canon due to short story after the war, saying they spent years traveling together after the war.

On 5/27/2021 at 9:49 PM, BigBen said:

Tolkien would have probably denied it, but you are definitely on to something.  And of course, Frodo and Samwise are as much of a couple as David and Jonathan, and likely intentionally.

I mean, it was not uncommon at the time (see the works of Christopher Isherwood for example) to describe male friendships at length in the most unsexualized way possible which turned out to have had an affair years later.

I've actually only just recently read a very detailed article on that matter:

https://www.polygon.com/lord-of-the-rings/22550950/sam-frodo-queer-romance-lord-of-the-rings-tolkien-quotes

I wonder what this statement does to support or contradict the author of this article:

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"From July to September 2020, Ostertag published a The Lord of the Rings fanfiction titled "In All the Ways There Were" which shipped Frodo Baggins and Samwise "Sam" Gamgee together, a story which became relatively popular. She called the fan fiction an extension of her "Lord of the Rings obsession," even creating an alternate Twitter account on the subject, with the handle @hobbitgay, and stated she is also writing a romantic fan fiction "retelling the entire series from Sam Gamgee’s point of view." Furthermore, she stated that she saw The Lord of the Rings as a romance and argued that she rarely sees exploration of "romance as transformative," portrayed, in fiction, with authenticity. Additionally, in 2019, Ostertag created a fan comic depicting a post-credits scene of The Return of the King."

 

On 5/28/2021 at 12:26 AM, W_L said:

Confirmed from wiki: It's in the Appendix to Return of the King, when Legolas and Gimli sailed west together. Legolas had the ship built and invited Gimli to come along as his "closest friend", (Boyfriend, maybe )

On 5/28/2021 at 1:31 AM, BigBen said:

As far as couples go, I wonder sometimes about Gandalf and Saruman. . . .

On 5/28/2021 at 2:10 AM, W_L said:

Gandalf and Saruman would heighten the tension and drama of Saruman betrayal. Personally, I view Gandalf as an Asexual, he just doesn't care for women, men, or other folk in Middle Earth.

Well, Gandalf's actor Sir Ian McKellen once said in an interview that he himself was very fond of a specific dwarf, who, McKellen said, knew he was meant by that. I could imagine Gandalf being similar (due to McKellen's portrayal) to that, having had many flings over the centuries with people that were special to him. So, probably, assuming that, Saruman would have been too boring for him, as would most men. But following that assumption, there might have been some more enlightened beings, he took interest in. Yet, I'd say, he never had anything serious with them.

Talking about Star Wars, one obvious mention is #StormPilot alias Finn and Poe:

Edited March 28, 2024 by Zuri
Carrie Fisher's reaction to #StormPilot

[W_L]

In more modern fantasy, I would probably say Jason Grace from Rick Riordan's Heroes of Olympus and Trials of Apollo probably had a bicurious side to him. 

Spoiler

If Jason hadn't died, he probably should have explored his nascent sexuality more. Between figuring out Nico being gay and his "bromance" with Percy, my gaydar was pinging throughout the Heroes of Olympus. His ex-girlfriend Piper found a nice girlfriend after they broke up, which was chalked up as him accepting fate et al, but I can also imagine other issues.

Question is who would he have ended with in as a couple in Riordan-verse? Lots of Demogods, Magicians, Demi-humans, and so on to consider.

[drown]

17 hours ago, Zuri said:

Talking about Star Wars, one obvious mention is #StormPilot alias Finn and Poe:

That was pure queerbating and I detest Disney for it.

[Zuri]

2 minutes ago, drown said:

That was pure queerbating and I detest Disney for it.

And they didn't only do that, they also did pinkwashing by including a lesbian (or bi, poly, pan, whatever) couple in the end of Rise of Skywalker.

Yeah, Disney happily takes all their gay fanboy's money, but when it comes to actually supporting LGBT* people, it gets somewhat indecisive. Sure, Disney is praised for taking a stand against Ron DeSantis, but they didn't even do that voluntarily. There were huge donations between Republicans and Disney, and Disney only acted because fans really pushed them to it. And since DeSantis essentially declared Disney its personal enemy, there was no turning back.

Edited March 27, 2024 by Zuri

[Jason Rimbaud]

I have a different take on Legolas and Gimili than most others in this thread. Tolkien was a product of World  War, it was time that thankfully most of us haven't had to endure. It was common for men to be more open back then, until the attitude shifted shortly after 1940's, men were way more openly affectionate with one another as platonic friends. Especially if that male was one of your army buddies that survive the same things you survived. There was love between them and it was not sexual. Legolas and Gimili were comrades, close friends that could rely on one another when the going got tough.

And Tolkien's views, a devout Catholic, was at least sympathetic towards homosexuality. He edited a book written by a known lesbian, and had friends who were gay. But I still believe the love between his characters were drawn from World War I and not from gay coding for future readers to puzzle out. As for Frodo and Sam, I think it was a squire and his manservant who were devoted to one another as companions not as lovers. 

Though the characters of Poe and Finn were played by actors who created their own gay subtext, it was never the intention of the writers to include them as gay characters. Could they have changed the last two movies after they saw what the actors had created, probably. But Disney doesn't stray from their message, however wrong, of creating content for all people. They shy away from religion, sex, and racism, oh wait, they don't shy away from racism, but the other two, very much so. And do you really want Disney to put their spin on queerness? We'd be spoon fed sanitized characters akin to Will & Grace, two gay characters who never seemed to have sex or date men. 

J

[W_L]

4 hours ago, Jason Rimbaud said:

I have a different take on Legolas and Gimili than most others in this thread. Tolkien was a product of World  War, it was time that thankfully most of us haven't had to endure. It was common for men to be more open back then, until the attitude shifted shortly after 1940's, men were way more openly affectionate with one another as platonic friends. Especially if that male was one of your army buddies that survive the same things you survived. There was love between them and it was not sexual. Legolas and Gimili were comrades, close friends that could rely on one another when the going got tough.

And Tolkien's views, a devout Catholic, was at least sympathetic towards homosexuality. He edited a book written by a known lesbian, and had friends who were gay. But I still believe the love between his characters were drawn from World War I and not from gay coding for future readers to puzzle out. As for Frodo and Sam, I think it was a squire and his manservant who were devoted to one another as companions not as lovers. 

Though the characters of Poe and Finn were played by actors who created their own gay subtext, it was never the intention of the writers to include them as gay characters. Could they have changed the last two movies after they saw what the actors had created, probably. But Disney doesn't stray from their message, however wrong, of creating content for all people. They shy away from religion, sex, and racism, oh wait, they don't shy away from racism, but the other two, very much so. And do you really want Disney to put their spin on queerness? We'd be spoon fed sanitized characters akin to Will & Grace, two gay characters who never seemed to have sex or date men. 

J

Your points are good overall and I do think unlike C.S Lewis, an ideological Christian fantasy author, Tolkien was more pragmatic with his worldviews and beliefs on a host of things (Another major reason why they fell out with one another).

In terms of Will and Grace, I will make one correction: Will was gay and Grace was straight, neither were portrayed as having sex, but implied to have. Same went with Jack, who was flamboyantly gay, he doesn't appear to have any long term partners (outside of Karen, his BFF). It was a product of the 90s. Personally, I think Queer as Folk and Shameless did a lot more for gay male representation for my generation. Science fiction hasn't seen that kind of breakthrough character in popular media, fantasy though has several nice examples like Shadowhunter couple Magnus and Alec. 

[Jason Rimbaud]

11 minutes ago, W_L said:

Your points are good overall and I do think unlike C.S Lewis, an ideological Christian fantasy author, Tolkien was more pragmatic with his worldviews and beliefs on a host of things (Another major reason why they fell out with one another).

In terms of Will and Grace, I will make one correction: Will was gay and Grace was straight, neither were portrayed as having sex, but implied to have. Same went with Jack, who was flamboyantly gay, he doesn't appear to have any long term partners (outside of Karen, his BFF). It was a product of the 90s. Personally, I think Queer as Folk and Shameless did a lot more for gay male representation for my generation. Science fiction hasn't seen that kind of breakthrough character in popular media, fantasy though has several nice examples like Shadowhunter couple Magnus and Alec. 

I must admit I haven't seen that many episodes of Will & Grace, but it showed Grace with multiple partners, long term and in bed with her but I don't think Will ever got to have a long term boyfriend or even a boyfriend for more than a few episodes. And Jack, well he was comedic relief and used poorly in my opinion.

And being in the 90's isn't really an excuse, Queer as Folk was a 90's show. 

I couldn't get passed season three of Shameless, I don't like watching stupid people doing stupid things over and over again. Though the guy who played Micky is hot as balls in real life, on the show he was always dirty looking. Everyone said I missed out on all the Ian & Micky relationship, but maybe if someone only puts up a youtube of their parts in the show, I doubt I'll ever get to see them.  Ian was pretty good on Gotham (I don't know the actors name and couldn't be bothered to look it up)

CS Lewis was crazy as a hatter. 

J

[W_L]

2 hours ago, Jason Rimbaud said:

I must admit I haven't seen that many episodes of Will & Grace, but it showed Grace with multiple partners, long term and in bed with her but I don't think Will ever got to have a long term boyfriend or even a boyfriend for more than a few episodes. And Jack, well he was comedic relief and used poorly in my opinion.

And being in the 90's isn't really an excuse, Queer as Folk was a 90's show. 

I couldn't get passed season three of Shameless, I don't like watching stupid people doing stupid things over and over again. Though the guy who played Micky is hot as balls in real life, on the show he was always dirty looking. Everyone said I missed out on all the Ian & Micky relationship, but maybe if someone only puts up a youtube of their parts in the show, I doubt I'll ever get to see them.  Ian was pretty good on Gotham (I don't know the actors name and couldn't be bothered to look it up)

CS Lewis was crazy as a hatter. 

J

In the original Will and Grace that ended in 2006, Will did have a long-term boyfriend named Vince and had a son with him. Their son Ben meets Grace's daughter Laila in college, both being straight and sharing their parent's connection would end up together. Basically, a Hollywood ending that sort feels heteronormative.

As for QAF, it was one of the best shows out there for a good reason. It set the bar for gay entertainment.

As for Shameless, Ian and Mickey are the best and worst gay couple on TV, but you got to remember they're not the clean cut gays that you see trying to fit our stereotypes. Ian is later diagnosed as bipolar and Mickey has massive insecurities, cultural homophobia, and probably a latent submissive tendencies based on his interests. They're perfectly imperfect, whether it's their courtship where Mickey is forced to have sex with a ruassian hooker, Ian going crazy and joining the army, or how both ended up in jail to find happiness with each other.

Here's the full history on youtube 1 hour long if you want to skip Lip and the other Gallagher kid's stories

 

Edited July 12, 2024 by W_L

[BendtedWreath]

R2 & C3PO are a pairing I now can't unsee. I want to binge the star wars movies in order of release just to pay closer attention to them.

[BendtedWreath]

On 5/29/2021 at 2:08 PM, Timothy M. said:

I suggested them as a couple, not Ben (sorry if I confused matters). But I think you're right about them just being good friends.

Now, now, there are couples that are such good friends that they goof off and act in similar ways, as if they were one person. I've only known 2 of such couples in person, but they exist.

[Salerion]

On 7/12/2024 at 5:06 AM, W_L said:

Your points are good overall and I do think unlike C.S Lewis, an ideological Christian fantasy author, Tolkien was more pragmatic with his worldviews and beliefs on a host of things (Another major reason why they fell out with one another).

I never read anything Lewis wrote as anything other than personal belief. I think it is clear that he was not shy of telling the whole world how and why Christianity made sense to him or what he thought that would mean for the everyday life of a Christian. However, I would contest the idea that he himself was an ideologue in the sense of him trying to force his beliefs on others in any way. My impression is rather that personal, individual choice and the idea that, in the end, it is not for us to judge each other, mattered to him way too much.

When he ponders ideas and concepts in his writing, I get the sense of a person being earnestly interested in thinking through the consequences of his assumptions, but at the same time happy and ready to discuss his assumptions. I do not think he was dogmatic in the sense of someone who no longer questions his assumptions. On the contrary, questioning his assumptions all through his life is how Lewis can best be characterized, in my opinion.

Now, more fundamentalist Christians quoting him is quite a different matter! I for one think they rather abuse him in doing so.

PS: If you have never read it, I suggest giving "Till We Have Faces" a try. Not only is it a very well written book, but an amazing exploration of the human condition and, in my opinion, mirrors his own battles with the limitations of reason.

PPS: Lewis' letters to his lifelong friend, Arthur Greeves, who was homosexual, suggest a man who was very much accepting of others.

[W_L]

10 hours ago, Salerion said:

I never read anything Lewis wrote as anything other than personal belief. I think it is clear that he was not shy of telling the whole world how and why Christianity made sense to him or what he thought that would mean for the everyday life of a Christian. However, I would contest the idea that he himself was an ideologue in the sense of him trying to force his beliefs on others in any way. My impression is rather that personal, individual choice and the idea that, in the end, it is not for us to judge each other, mattered to him way too much.

When he ponders ideas and concepts in his writing, I get the sense of a person being earnestly interested in thinking through the consequences of his assumptions, but at the same time happy and ready to discuss his assumptions. I do not think he was dogmatic in the sense of someone who no longer questions his assumptions. On the contrary, questioning his assumptions all through his life is how Lewis can best be characterized, in my opinion.

Now, more fundamentalist Christians quoting him is quite a different matter! I for one think they rather abuse him in doing so.

PS: If you have never read it, I suggest giving "Till We Have Faces" a try. Not only is it a very well written book, but an amazing exploration of the human condition and, in my opinion, mirrors his own battles with the limitations of reason.

PPS: Lewis' letters to his lifelong friend, Arthur Greeves, who was homosexual, suggest a man who was very much accepting of others.

Part of his mystique as the forerunner of modern Christian Fundamentalism is his devotional and sermonizing during WWII. His radio broadcasts lifted a lot of people during the Blitz and bleakest hours of WWII in England through something modern televangelists can easily spot as their own undying faith and attention to scripture, God, and moral righteousness. CS Lewis' writing alone isn't what defined him as much as some of his contemporaries. 

As for gay friends, let's be realistic, it's not odd for us to have some really conservative friends who think we're different. I don't doubt that as a friend CS Lewis was a nice person. Just as CS Lewis' friendship with female authors didn't mean that he did hold misogynistic views. Human beings are imperfect representations of the ideals that they believe in. 

On the same line, Tolkien had some unpleasant views on race theory and race mixing that would make him quite toxic in modern lens. However, he also understood that what he knew and what he felt may not be the same when it came to racial discrimination, hence why it's hard to draw on one side or the other when it came to his ultimate beliefs.

[Salerion]

1 hour ago, W_L said:

Part of his mystique as the forerunner of modern Christian Fundamentalism is his devotional and sermonizing during WWII. His radio broadcasts lifted a lot of people during the Blitz and bleakest hours of WWII in England through something modern televangelists can easily spot as their own undying faith and attention to scripture, God, and moral righteousness. CS Lewis' writing alone isn't what defined him as much as some of his contemporaries. 

As for gay friends, let's be realistic, it's not odd for us to have some really conservative friends who think we're different. I don't doubt that as a friend CS Lewis was a nice person. Just as CS Lewis' friendship with female authors didn't mean that he did hold misogynistic views. Human beings are imperfect representations of the ideals that they believe in. 

On the same line, Tolkien had some unpleasant views on race theory and race mixing that would make him quite toxic in modern lens. However, he also understood that what he knew and what he felt may not be the same when it came to racial discrimination, hence why it's hard to draw on one side or the other when it came to his ultimate beliefs.

I suppose we will have to agree to disagree on our views of Lewis, since, just as I thought "ideological" was not a good characterisation of Lewis, I now feel that "forerunner of modern Christian Fundamentalism" is quite off the mark. 🤷‍♂️

Edited September 19, 2024 by Salerion
had cut and pasted something out of the quote instead of copy-pasting...

[W_L]

7 hours ago, Salerion said:

I suppose we will have to agree to disagree on our views of Lewis, since, just as I thought "ideological" was not a good characterisation of Lewis, I now feel that "forerunner of modern Christian Fundamentalism" is quite off the mark. 🤷‍♂️

Fair point, we can agree to disagree. (Btw, I am not completely against Christian Fundamentalism in every dimension. The intense moral righteous ideology has positive aspects in the areas of moral individual and serves as counterargument against far more heinous ideologies like Racial Supremacy via pseudo-science like Eugenics) Anyway off-topic

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Now for Comic book fans and geeks like me, we know Superboy/(Current Superman) Jon Kent is bisexual and in a relationship with his boyfriend Jay Nakamura. However, in the last decade, Jon most significant male friendship before coming out was with Damian Wayne (Robin), they even had a short-lived comic series called Super Sons. I've always thought they had some chemistry like a traditional uke/tsundere seme pairing. Jon came out as bi, but Damian is straight by his dating history. (Don't get me started on the Tim Drake/Connor Kent thing, they've been a hot mess in fan circles for more than two decades)