For The Love

[Ieshwar]

I definitely agree with Bondwriter.

 

Eric should definitely perish in the jail. Make him repent. I understand that "precocious, annoying kid brothers " are very important but if these brothers are murderous, bent on killing his brother and as well as exposing their private and sexual life to the public,

 

And of course, animals are evil.

 

Ieshwar

[EMoe57]

CJ's already announced his next story -- Let the Music Play. He's said he'll post the prologue and first two chapters soon.

 

Do you think it will be a different topic post? Will we have to start all over with the taunts or just cross-reference them in this topic. :wacko:

[Ieshwar]

Well, I don't think that the characters will be the same. So new characters and new, story plot, new discoveries, new spoilers and new... ok, that's all. So we'll have lots to talk about.

 

And yeah, new thread!

 

Ieshwar

[C James]

Well i do hope you have another great story planed to come after FTL.

 

Cant wait for the last few chapters.

 

CJ's already announced his next story -- Let the Music Play. He's said he'll post the prologue and first two chapters soon.

 

"Let the Music Play" Should be out, very soon. Before the end of FTL, too.

 

I definitely agree with Bondwriter.

 

Eric should definitely perish in the jail. Make him repent. I understand that "precocious, annoying kid brothers " are very important but if these brothers are murderous, bent on killing his brother and as well as exposing their private and sexual life to the public,

And of course, animals are evil.

Ieshwar

 

What? I'm not evil...

 

As for Eric, yes, I will concede that he has a few, ummm, personality problems?

 

Do you think it will be a different topic post? Will we have to start all over with the taunts or just cross-reference them in this topic. :wacko:

 

It will definitly be a different topic post. The taunts, however, will surely cross over.

 

Well, I don't think that the characters will be the same. So new characters and new, story plot, new discoveries, new spoilers and new... ok, that's all. So we'll have lots to talk about.

And yeah, new thread!

Ieshwar

 

Definitely not the same characters; it's an entirely different, unrelated story. So, a new thread too.

[C James]

Today is Tuesday, sooo...

 

Chapter 35, Hell's Fury, is up.

 

Thanks!

CJ

[TalonRider]

Looks like it's time to set the table for that roast pig CJ's prepared. Too bad desert got away, again.

 

Jan

[Graeme]

A short chapter, and there are still too many things outstanding for Chris's parting comment to ring true to me. It was also a bit glib. From a legal point of view, I wonder if the evidence will be ruled inadmissible since it was found as result of an illegal search by Steve and Chris. Possibly not, since they are not law enforcement offices, but they have certainly tainted the evidence to a degree.

 

The Piedmont sheriff is, to the best of my knowledge, not under arrest, and the case against him could falter if something happens to Chris, so I'm expecting some sort of attempt to be made on Chris's life -- after Eric goes to the sheriff and tells him the bad news.

 

I'll wait for a few more people to read the story before I say anything more.

[Bondwriter]

One down (well, two if we count the Hawaiian Hell's Angel), two more to go! And this so finely decorated church burning down, poor Thaddeus. The vomit touch was a delicate and thoughtful idea from the author. I can

[Graeme]

This is off topic, but I needed somewhere to post it....

 

I found this story on genetically modified goats. I think we're beginning to learn a bit more about our elusive CJ's past....

[C James]

Looks like it's time to set the table for that roast pig CJ's prepared. Too bad desert got away, again.

Jan

 

Roast pig, or a cooked goose, Thaddeus is not a happy camper.

 

A short chapter, and there are still too many things outstanding for Chris's parting comment to ring true to me. It was also a bit glib. From a legal point of view, I wonder if the evidence will be ruled inadmissible since it was found as result of an illegal search by Steve and Chris. Possibly not, since they are not law enforcement offices, but they have certainly tainted the evidence to a degree.

 

The Piedmont sheriff is, to the best of my knowledge, not under arrest, and the case against him could falter if something happens to Chris, so I'm expecting some sort of attempt to be made on Chris's life -- after Eric goes to the sheriff and tells him the bad news.

 

I'll wait for a few more people to read the story before I say anything more.

 

I can't comment on future happenings, or about Chris's parting comment.

 

The legalities are a little complicated (and I must give thanks to Captain Rick for setting me straight on some of the legal issues) but the Sheriff had a warrant, plus he was there in pursuit of a known fugitive who has a definitive connection to the property (as Thaddeus' son) and was seen moments before heading up the tunnel, which leads nowhere else but the church. Chris and Steve didn't touch the computer until after the Sheriff and Mr. Williams were present, so there was no tainting of the evidence. Thaddeus was also clever enough to implicate himself, after being mirandized, for setting the booby trap.

 

Steve and Chris might be technically guilty of trespassing, though.

 

The Piedmont Sheriff is not in jail, and is still in office. He's just under indictment. That might sound far-fetched, but I based it on a similar case less about a decade ago; an Arizona Sheriff was indicted for racketeering, but remained in office throughout his trial. It's a legal gray area whether or not the county supervisors can remove a sheriff, because the Sheriff is an elected official. This put them in a very bad position; their insurance carrier would no longer cover them against wrongdoings by the sheriff or his department due to the indictment, leaving them with an enormous legal liability if the sheriff (or his deputies) did anything wrong. He remained in office all during his trial, until he was convicted. (at which point, he could be easily removed, and was.)

 

One down (well, two if we count the Hawaiian Hell's Angel), two more to go! And this so finely decorated church burning down, poor Thaddeus. The vomit touch was a delicate and thoughtful idea from the author. I can

[Ieshwar]

Hi CJ!

 

*Hugs*

 

That

[C James]

Hi CJ!

 

*Hugs*

 

That

[Ieshwar]

a mainly straight guy will fall for another guy, or a mainly gay guy will fall for a girl.

 

Or a mainly lesbian girl falling for a tech-wiz guy! Hope this does happen! *Cross fingers*

 

And in case, the echidna tries to turn you into a pincushion, use your red laser beam!

 

Ieshwar

[Conner]

Roast pig, or a cooked goose, Thaddeus is not a happy camper.

I can't comment on future happenings, or about Chris's parting comment.

 

The legalities are a little complicated (and I must give thanks to Captain Rick for setting me straight on some of the legal issues) but the Sheriff had a warrant, plus he was there in pursuit of a known fugitive who has a definitive connection to the property (as Thaddeus' son) and was seen moments before heading up the tunnel, which leads nowhere else but the church. Chris and Steve didn't touch the computer until after the Sheriff and Mr. Williams were present, so there was no tainting of the evidence. Thaddeus was also clever enough to implicate himself, after being mirandized, for setting the booby trap.

 

Steve and Chris might be technically guilty of trespassing, though.

 

The Piedmont Sheriff is not in jail, and is still in office. He's just under indictment. That might sound far-fetched, but I based it on a similar case less about a decade ago; an Arizona Sheriff was indicted for racketeering, but remained in office throughout his trial. It's a legal gray area whether or not the county supervisors can remove a sheriff, because the Sheriff is an elected official. This put them in a very bad position; their insurance carrier would no longer cover them against wrongdoings by the sheriff or his department due to the indictment, leaving them with an enormous legal liability if the sheriff (or his deputies) did anything wrong. He remained in office all during his trial, until he was convicted. (at which point, he could be easily removed, and was.)

You raise a good point; if Eric was hiding somewhere in the tunnels, he wouldn't have made it... Much like after the sheriff's house went kaboom, Eric's fate is unknown.

 

However, one BIG discovery/revelation in this chapter; Eric's nose is still swollen, so Chris probably did break it in Piedmont! Poor eric...

 

As for the drunk, and the present he dumped in Thaddeus' lap, I just couldn't resist.

Now, now, it's against the GA rules to go revealing personal info about other members!

 

Another excellent chapter, CJ!!!

 

While reading this chapter, and especially after the town sheriff arrived and directed another verbal shot at Chris, I was thinking that Veronica is the real blonde in this story. I mean, why does she continue to associate herslf with Chris and Steve, especially Chris? She must realize that, if she keeps that up, she'll have a new address at the town morgue.

 

I have to join Bondwriter in complimenting Betty and her swiss cheese line. That was hilarious.

 

Then there's Chris' parting statement in that chapter. There's no doubt, in my mind at least, that that was an author's tool for setting up his readers. Let them feel safe and calm...let them feel the worst is over...let them be vulnerable.

 

But seeing that the author is our beloved CJ, that will never happen.

 

I'm not sure if Chris and Steve (and Betty for that matter) would be guilty of trepassing. In Canada, our common law has the "hot pursuit" rule. Any policeman or citizen may enter any place without a warrant, including a private residence, if they are in hot pursiut of a known criminal. There certainly is an arrest warrant out for Eric. Poor Eric.

 

Which brings me to the much maligned Eric. I truly believe that Eric has done the not-so-nice things that he has because he's trying to get his biological dad to break away from his life of crime. It really hurts Eric to have to do these things, but he just won't quit on his dad. It's just so sad, really. His intentions and his heart are just so pure.

 

Please save Eric, CJ!

 

Conner

[wildone]

One down (well, two if we count the Hawaiian Hell's Angel), two more to go! And this so finely decorated church burning down, poor Thaddeus. The vomit touch was a delicate and thoughtful idea from the author. I can't believe Eric escaped again; he's a regular Houdini. Weren't you appalled at Steve's lack of athletic ability that prevented him from getting Eric? By the way, we don't know which way he escaped, so he could actually have ended up trapped somewhere and roasted, which would make him a bit sorry because of the painful death; a gun shot in self-defense would be better. The best remains the trial and a conviction.

 

I love Betty. "Move, and you're Swiss Cheese!" Way to go!

 

A very Hardy Boys-like episode, I love it! "How reverent of the good reverend!" CJ dared this one. (At the same time, he might just blame it on Chris, who's a blond.) Yeah, a few more chapters to go, Piedmont won't be that easy to conquer, CJ still may use the flame-thrower I was talking about, and maybe a couple bazookas would help.

 

 

Well, in the fairness of equal opinion I am glad that Thaddeus is finally behind bars. but.....where I differ from Bondwriter, is wanting the demise of Eric.

 

Once again, Eric is being judge, tried, and convicted on circumstantial evidence.

 

I have read and seen documentaries on TV about criminal sweat shops. In them, usually people are being held against their will, and made to perform the "dirty" work behind the criminal activity. It usually involves the making of illegal drugs or using dangerous chemicals for such things as counterfeiting or credit card fraud. More often then not, the poor workers are treated as victims by the authorities, as they should, and the organizers are held accountable for the criminal intent and even though they are not charged, they are also accountable for human slavery.

 

So we have Eric, living underground in a tunnel and a room stacked full of lethal chemicals and a booby trap. At any time, he could accidentally trip a wire and his poor life would be ended. He is being forced to live underground, I imagine with bugs, ants, and other nasty critters, with nothing for furnishings other than a barren cot.

 

I think that maybe Eric is indeed a victim here, and could use a little help. Maybe rather than being judged on the circumstantial evidence, we can all wait for the final chapters to see if Eric is really evil, or is being blackmailed into doing the evil things. I tend to feel that it is the later.

 

Overall, a great chapter with lots of action. After the last chapter, this one really was a fast read.

 

I am quite surprised that so much was revealed in one chapter, but was glad that it happened.

 

I can hardly wait for next week, hopefully Eric will finally be vindicated once and for all.

 

Steve

Edited July 26, 2007 by wildone

[Graeme]

Am I the only one who thinks that Thaddeus's plead at the end came over as false? It just seemed out of character for him to want the church saved, since there may be more incriminating evidence to be found. I'm wondering if he had bundles of money stored in there, too, that he was hoping could be recovered and used to pay for his defence (or his bail -- and then used to fund his overseas retirement plan).

 

I'm trying to think of other reasons why he'd be pleading to save his church. Could it be that there was a camera trained on him and he was going to use it to show how much of a "good pastor" he was -- that even in the midst of being arrested "on patently false charges from evidence planted by those two criminals who had been running a pornographic website out of the home of one of the Lonesome Valley law enforcement officers" that he was able to be more concerned about his church than himself?

[shadowgod]

Am I the only one who thinks that Thaddeus's plead at the end came over as false? It just seemed out of character for him to want the church saved, since there may be more incriminating evidence to be found. I'm wondering if he had bundles of money stored in there, too, that he was hoping could be recovered and used to pay for his defence (or his bail -- and then used to fund his overseas retirement plan).

 

I'm trying to think of other reasons why he'd be pleading to save his church. Could it be that there was a camera trained on him and he was going to use it to show how much of a "good pastor" he was -- that even in the midst of being arrested "on patently false charges from evidence planted by those two criminals who had been running a pornographic website out of the home of one of the Lonesome Valley law enforcement officers" that he was able to be more concerned about his church than himself?

 

Or was he pleading for his preverbial golden calf? Everyone has that one thing they believe defines who they are, and to watch it go up in flames has to be devistating no matter how crooked you are. Its his lifes work being reduced to ash.. hrmm sorta like Soddom and Ghamora... Hehe How biblical is that?

[Bob D.]

Leaning back in his chair to plant his cowboy boots on his desk, Rick smiled as he said, "The records show that Thaddeus and his non-profit corporation have assets around three million, including the church building itself. He's been

Edited July 26, 2007 by Aillie

[Bondwriter]

Well, in the fairness of equal opinion I am glad that Thaddeus is finally behind bars. but.....where I differ from Bondwriter, is wanting the demise of Eric.

 

Once again, Eric is being judge, tried, and convicted on circumstantial evidence.

 

(...) made to perform the "dirty" work behind the criminal activity. It usually involves the making of illegal drugs or using dangerous chemicals for such things as counterfeiting or credit card fraud. (...)

So we have Eric, living underground in a tunnel and a room stacked full of lethal chemicals and a booby trap. At any time, he could accidentally trip a wire and his poor life would be ended. He is being forced to live underground, I imagine with bugs, ants, and other nasty critters, with nothing for furnishings other than a barren cot.

 

I think that maybe Eric is indeed a victim here, and could use a little help. Maybe rather than being judged on the circumstantial evidence, we can all wait for the final chapters to see if Eric is really evil, or is being blackmailed into doing the evil things. I tend to feel that it is the later.

 

Overall, a great chapter with lots of action. After the last chapter, this one really was a fast read. (...)

 

I can hardly wait for next week, hopefully Eric will finally be vindicated once and for all.

 

Steve

What absolutely appalls me is the general moral relativism of the Pro-Eric people, who gather more and more followers every week. What we're up against is a fictional villain. This kind, though it borrows some traits to a human being, is a creation of the author (whom we cannot identify for sure at the moment, since other threads carry the rumor that Shadowgod and CJames are one and only person) The fictional villain, as opposed as to your ordinary RL juvenile delinquent, cannot be redeemed or changed in any manner. Go back to the story, Steve, and gather evidence that prove your point. You'll find none. Blackmail, lies, illegal videos, murder attempts, assault on a police officer... Yes, this is all written in the book. The author controlling the fictional villain's genes may decide (and decided in this particular case) once and for all that he is evil. I do hope Eric gets caught, and that he didn't roast in the fire, but you'll never know with this author(s).

 

Am I the only one who thinks that Thaddeus's plead at the end came over as false? (...)

 

Everyone has that one thing they believe defines who they are, and to watch it go up in flames has to be devistating no matter how crooked you are.

More with Shadowgod on this one. Of course there could be more earthly possessions going up in flames, but from the description of the church's altar, I had imagined Thaddeus indulging into vanity with this place, and being genuinely distressed by seeing his work burn. The barf adds to the distress, doesn't it?

Oh it is his golden calf alright, but because all of his assests were Church assets... if the church goes, so does all his belongings and personal wealth that existed as the church.

 

Imagine watching your piggy bank burn, which held all of your money and years of planning... and knowing there wasn't a damn thing you could do about it.

 

Bob

With the ending of this chapter, one almost feels sorry for Thaddeus, a philanderer, a hatred preacher, an embezzler, a hacker, a conspirator... At least, he doesn't end up with frozen assets.

[Ieshwar]

Well, I believe that the church was his, kind of, fortress from where Thaddeus controlled and brainwashed his mass. It must be there that he was the most powerful and seeing destroyed was like falling of his castle. In fact, I think that via the loss of the church, CJ has showed us the final fall-down of Thaddeus. Pretty image.

 

And like I said before, I competely agree with Francois, Eric is too evil for forgiveness and I sincerely hope he rots in jail.

 

Ieshwar

[x Trevor x]

I have definetly got to say I hate Eric. At first I didnt think he was to bad and was actually a fun character to read about but what he did with the website thing was low and when he left Steve and Chris to burn at the stake was low to. To be honest I wished that they had left Eric up there but then that would have only brought our boys to his level! As for his escape through the tunnels he could have made it out of the church without Thaddeous knowing and then by the time Chris and Steve got into the church he could have been gone. I just hope Eric gets cought before the story ends!

[TalonRider]

He could be using the church to launder money by using the tax exempt status. Which could lead to another charge against him, tax evasion.

[Bondwriter]

Thaddeus is indeed in deep doo-doo.

 

I'm glad to see the Anti-Eric side remains vocal and doesn't weaken in front of the Pro-Ericers; soon the problem will be solved completely, once the author lets us know how the story ends.

[Conner]

Now that his father is in custody, there's little more that Eric can do to rehabilitate him. Maybe now Eric can pay more attention to his own needs. I'm guessing that Eric has left for the mountains of Tibet where he will enter a Buddist temple and become a novice monk. He needs spirituality right now. His ultimate goal is to raise and care for endangered species of goats. God bless him.

 

Conner

[Graeme]

This kind, though it borrows some traits to a human being, is a creation of the author (whom we cannot identify for sure at the moment, since other threads carry the rumor that Shadowgod and CJames are one and only person)

Just a minor correction. The rumour is that Shadowgod is the author and simply using C James as an alternative channel for publishing his work. The goat is a separate entity, but is not the true author of the stories....

 

My view is that Eric escaped well before the fire. He fled from the boys into the room which exited into the church. He wasn't in the first room and he didn't appear to be in the church (though he could have been hiding in there). Either way, he wasn't in the tunnels under the church when they went up, and would have had plenty of time to get out.