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As we noted in today's blog post, GayAuthors.org is looking to expand and enhance our social media presence:
 
 

[A]s a website, we've had an internet "presence" for over ten years now -- but as everyone knows, there are so many additional means of keeping up to date and interacting than just visiting a website.

We're looking into other venues. and brainstorming on the best ways to utilize these vehicles. Like with most changes, the more information available, the better the choices, so we encourage you to chime in with your comments on what would add value to your GayAuthors.org experience. Do you just want tweets when a favorite author has updated their story? Or do you want more detailed information, and if so, what type?

 

 
 
Please use this thread to give us your thoughts and ideas, or to volunteer to assist in these efforts.  Thanks!

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I think a focus on Facebook is key to driving GayAuthor's social media growth. I think this for multiple reasons, but mainly because the social network has the sheer activity (over 1 billion monthly active users) and also because the active userbase has aged a bit.

 

Twitter and Instagram (which GA shouldn't be concerned about, since it's not really relevant) are for a younger crowd. I'm not saying anyone over 13 and under 18 shouldn't be welcome, but I don't think that should (or is) the main audience that the site is trying to cater too.

 

Google+, as far as I know, is pretty much barren. The only noteworthy feature of theirs is hangouts. It would be cool if live interviews, discussions or round tables could be organized, though. Kind of like what Dark does, ask an author questions. But through a live video feed, it's much more endearing and more personalized.

 

Tumblr is another site that I think GA should engage in. Partly because quite a few of the users here already have their own tumblr blogs and actively use the site, but also because of Tumblr's policies. They allow pornographic content on their site. I'll stop you there, I know GA isn't a site for that type of content, at least exclusively in stories. However, it shows that Tumblr isn't shying away from adult content, which GA is, so there's less risk of being removed from the site and losing that opportunity.

 

I'm sure there's other stuff I'll think of to say later, so maybe I'll post again or edit this one. :P

 

I volunteer for any social media efforts you need. I don't have any specialized experience in the field, but I'm well aware of how these sites work from my own use and have enough customer service experience to know how to handle situations that may arise.  At the moment, I have a lot of free time, so time commitment shouldn't be an issue.

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I'm already on Facebook (kinda lurker over there) but I won't be able to 'like' GA Page because I'm still in closet. Having 'Gay Authors' on my profile listed alongside names of my friends and relative is a no-no. GA offers an anonymous platform which is necessary for some of us. Besides what I love about GA's website is that it's self-sufficient. It has features such as "like", status, profiles, galleries... Everything that is Facebook-ish is already here. But if I had the choice, I would have 'liked' it even on Facebook. 

 

Putting my personal situation aside, I think Facebook may be the right step to give GA, along with the authors, more exposure. 

 

Personally, I would have liked something which brings 'an added value' to GA's website. Maybe vlogs on youtube? I would definitely check out my fav author's vlogs. Though I wonder how many authors would agree for that. Tumblr sounds interesting too, though I'm not a member over there. I may join if GA starts a tumblr thing. 

 

By the way, I've always thought that LinkedIn is mostly for professional contacts. Is it?

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I second Advocatus's comment about Tumblr. Making a GA Tumblr that promotes featured stories and content would be a really good way to get things out there. Tumblr's reblogging feature is an excellent tool in spreading content.

 

I would also like to respectfully disagree with his comment about Twitter, which I see as a far more grown up social media site than Facebook, since it's all about communication and not really about 'look at my new haircut'. Getting out properly on Twitter can be a good way to amass a more mature audience.

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I'm already on Facebook (kinda lurker over there) but I won't be able to 'like' GA Page because I'm still in closet. Having 'Gay Authors' on my profile listed alongside names of my friends and relative is a no-no. GA offers an anonymous platform which is necessary for some of us. Besides what I love about GA's website is that it's self-sufficient. It has features such as "like", status, profiles, galleries... Everything that is Facebook-ish is already here. But if I had the choice, I would have 'liked' it even on Facebook. 

 

This. While I'm out, no one knows about this site and that I write. I'd like to keep it that way.

 

Putting my personal situation aside, I think Facebook may be the right step to give GA, along with the authors, more exposure. 

 

Personally, I would have liked something which brings 'an added value' to GA's website. Maybe vlogs on youtube? I would definitely check out my fav author's vlogs. Though I wonder how many authors would agree for that. Tumblr sounds interesting too, though I'm not a member over there. I may join if GA starts a tumblr thing. 

 

By the way, I've always thought that LinkedIn is mostly for professional contacts. Is it?

 

Agreed. This is a great opportunity to give more authors more exposure.
 
Added value is key. That's what I was trying to get at with me mentioning Google+ Hangouts. YouTube is another great method for social media.
 
Yeah, I'm not sure why LinkedIn is mentioned. One of the key reasons to not promote an author to Promising and/or Hosted is if they try to use the site as a spring board. It's actually a reason for the author to having posting privileges revoked. To include LinkedIn or to have any sort of presence on there would seem contradictory and send a mixed message.
 

I would also like to respectfully disagree with his comment about Twitter, which I see as a far more grown up social media site than Facebook, since it's all about communication and not really about 'look at my new haircut'. Getting out properly on Twitter can be a good way to amass a more mature audience.

 

Maybe it was unfair for me to lump them both together, then.

 

I have to agree on Facebook, Twitter and tumblr. Places really only have Facebook pages because Facebook is huge -- but other social networks are a lot healthier and better designed than Facebook*(see the end of this post for an epic Facebook rant). I think it really only should be used to keep people abreast of announcements, maybe targeted toward lurkers or readers who don't register here. Like leshwar said, Facebook is not nearly as anonymous as most of the rest of the internet is and the anonymity of GA may not be required, but it is appreciated. Also Facebook is a political cesspool and it doesn't take long for Facebook interaction to get people of the wrong sorts to start interacting with the GA community through its Facebook page, even if they wouldn't be able to register here.

 

I quit Facebook 3 years ago, but if I still was registered there (and I probably am in some sick, venomous, money-grubbing way), I too would never like this site. Even though I doubt it would affect my social life much, I like keeping myself anonymous on the internet, putting a wall between my real life and my internet life. That's just the way I prefer it. But imagine if I was an educational degree graduate and looking for jobs -- employers pull up my Facebook page and find out I liked a site that contains sometimes graphic sexual imagery between teenagers -- I'd have to luck out on the open-mindedness of said employers for that to go well.

 

I have to agree with all of this, for the most part. GA needs to be on Facebook, simply for the huge userbase of the social network. However, since most people also use it for personal reasons and have personal friends and family members added, GA needs to be aware of that as well. In the Facebook-specific context, GA shouldn't be encouraging their fans to reshare their posts and engaging in those tactics. However, using it, as brink says, to make announcements and increase exposure to current stories is a fantastic use.

 

 

One option I don't see is reddit. I don't participate in the site myself and I know there is already a button to report to reddit on this site, but since the entire original idea of reddit is to promote things that are worthy of reading, personally I think promoting GA into relevant subreddits is worth more time than putting any effort into Facebook. Dunno, just kind of struck me as odd, considering what kind of site this is.

 

This is actually a really, really good point. A subreddit for GA would be an excellent way to promote and showcase the stories here on the site.

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brink's analysis is informed and instructive, especially about Facebook. I'd also be concerned about building close links with Google - since Google took over Youtube I have found Google wanting my identity to be disclosed along with my Youtube content.  I got annoyed and fed up having to resist Google's persistent attempts to do this, so I ditched my Youtube a/c.

 

Until players like Google start respecting people's wish to remain anonymous I will avoid all engagement with them.

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brink's analysis is informed and instructive, especially about Facebook. I'd also be concerned about building close links with Google - since Google took over Youtube I have found Google wanting my identity to be disclosed along with my Youtube content.  I got annoyed and fed up having to resist Google's persistent attempts to do this, so I ditched my Youtube a/c.

 

Until players like Google start respecting people's wish to remain anonymous I will avoid all engagement with them.

 

Yeah, the whole interconnectivity of YouTube and Google is just annoying as shit. I don't even sign in when I use YouTube anymore because it asks me a hundred thousand questions and wants to try to connect my YouTube with my Gmail account. :/

 

But yeah, Tumblr would definitely be a good place to start because they don't censor things unless its illegal. 

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Careful about opening the site up to social media...might get a little cray cray when you have this surge of newbs and wanderers log on or whatever. Could be good tho, definitely profitable.

 

GA ain't going anywhere near my FB.

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But yeah, Tumblr would definitely be a good place to start because they don't censor things unless its illegal. 

 

I have a screenshot from a gay porn blog that illustrates this. One image has been removed, and I just keep wondering what that image could possibly have contained to be censored. :P

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Reddit. It's got a big, thriving gay community, is gay friendly, and some of them are smart enough to be able to read.

 

Someone's going to have to dig deep into the site or be a redditor to understand why, but there are very good cross-promotional opportunities there. I lack the time to elaborate now, but the essence is that in the reddit.com/r/lgbt subreddit alone, there are 76,000 people who may want to read a good tale or two.

 

The gay subreddits I subscribe to comprise another 100,000 or so users. Not all of them read a lot, but certainly some do.

 

Think about:

 

Submitting an IAMA post with "we write gay fiction. Ask us anything!" 

A place to cross-post story updates to people that want them

A place to discuss (and push people to the forums here to discuss) gay fiction and writing gay fiction.

 

The trajectory here would be for mods here to 

- spend a little time learning and understanding reddit: what it is, the fundamental concepts of subreddits, posts, comments, karma, and user interaction. I would start here: http://www.reddit.com/wiki/index

- how to moderate a subreddit

- how to cross-promote GA on its own subreddit, pushing users here to read and contribute in the forums

- how to use reddit's subreddits themselves to promote the GA subreddit and by doing that, push people here.

 

It's a big job, but other websites have found good success by using reddit to drive traffic. It's the "front page of the internet!"

 

There are other such public blogs, such as Metafilter, that could conceivably spike traffic here, if it were done right.

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I'll say upfront that I don't have any particular favorable view on any of the varied types of social media being promoted here. I use Facebook but that's mostly family related and even so I have been thinking lately about closing that down.

 

 

I might point out that the leading idea of promoting the authors in the greater categories of Hosted and Promising is a safe bet and that probably should be an initial focus in whatever social media excursion that is decided upon. But! While that is well and good, I would also like to remind everyone not to focus solely in that direction. We have a vibrant and varied community within GA, one that I have come to adore, and that should have its own prominence in however GA is promoted. I came here for the writing and joined because of the greater community. This community isn't just an idea and shouldn't get lost in promoting GA but the idea of a community that you and she and he and that other fella over there can join and belong to... well that should definitely be put out there. People want to belong somewhere - to something. Give them that community.

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I hate social media...

 

facebook - super annoying and violates everyone's privacy, but sure. They have a lot of users and once a page is setup takes minimal effort to maintain.

twitter - annoying little tweets (who ever thought it would be ok for a real mans man to utter tweet and not be made fun of?) about things nobody cares about. Also has a lot of users and can be setup to autopost tweets about each new story, etc.

google+ - does a single person actually use and like this?

 

overall these are easy ways to keep members updated about the site, but how many new members will they really attract? In my opinion not that many, but there is simply no logical reason to not have Facebook and twitter accounts.

 

other things that were mentioned: tumblr, youtube and reddit. Tumblr I have come to enjoy personally. It's great for pictures and reblogging is easy and can spread those post easily. When it comes to content though, not so much in my opinion. Youtube, as annoying as a google controlled youtube is, it is actually like a search engine in its own way and could be an easy way for people to stumble on content from people here. There is the key though....people. Someone would need to be posting videos in behalf of the site. Vlogs do present an entertaining medium but they take work, they remove anonymity and it's not exactly spreading the content of this site, which is mostly text based. Reddit, as much as I hate to admit it has become an extremely large online community. It could very likely be one of the better ways to attract new members and attention to stories here. It would require dedication on the account of members from here to promote the site there though. It wouldn't be easy but could pay off.

 

overall one of the better ways and more traditional is simply content based. The more posted here, the more browsers will return this site and the higher ga will be in those lists. Also the more authors post stories to other sites (including nifty, despite their awful policies) and either include links back to here or keep portions exclusive to ga, the more people will be drawn here to read. In the end ga will be as popular as the people who choose to call it home. Thus talent and quality people should always be the driving force here...

 

of course there is the whole domain name discussion, but I don't think that fits with social media.

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having been involved in site promotion for a role playing group, and also being involved in my dance studio's social media campaign, I think social media is the way forward.  I'd love to be involved in any way I can help.  I think it'd be especially helpful if our active hosted authors and published authors who have facebook pages, twitter pages, etc, would be so kind as to link back GA, or tweet about or @GA every now and again to help build exposure from any of their readers who might not yet know about our community here.

 

Clearly, to me at least, promotion via social media is the way to go; the way of the future.  I'm sure we can find a happy medium of preserving the anonymity of those who wish to remain anonymous and promoting GA.

 

Mikie

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For sure social media is the trend, these days, no organization can really survive without a facebook / twitter account. Therefore, I'm all for more social networking presence. 

 

Personally, I see a greater potential with Twitter as a way to post rapid updates, news, or promotion of new release. Naturally, I wouldn't mind giving an helpful hand if asked... 

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Any social stuff we add to the site will be entirely optional and geared at promoting the site and our content.  It's kind of silly for a social website like us to tell people to go to Facebook.   and I completely understand the issues with FB.  Alas, the times are changing and we need to adjust to at least accept the change and opportunities that it presents.

 

My goal will be a GA+ social media situation.  We will always have our own membership, which you can be anonymous with, and any social media connections will be optional.  If you want to participate, great!  if not, that's just fine too!

 

Myr

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Here is the code I use for my signature's version of the Facebook like

<p><span style="color:#800080;"><em><strong><span style="font-size:18px;">Check out and "Like" our GayAuthors' Facebook Page!</span></strong></em></span></p>
<p><iframe allowtransparency="true" frameborder="0" scrolling="no" src="http://www.facebook.com/plugins/like.php?href=https://www.facebook.com/gayauthors.stories&width=450&height=80&colorscheme=light&layout=standard&action=like&show_faces=false&send=true&appId=267905147055" style="border-style: none; overflow: hidden; width: 450px; height: 80px;"></iframe>
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Reddit. It's got a big, thriving gay community, is gay friendly, and some of them are smart enough to be able to read.

 

Someone's going to have to dig deep into the site or be a redditor to understand why, but there are very good cross-promotional opportunities there. I lack the time to elaborate now, but the essence is that in the reddit.com/r/lgbt subreddit alone, there are 76,000 people who may want to read a good tale or two.

 

 

I can't stand reddit. It is impossible to become established there.

 

It doesn't matter how you post there. Unless you are part of the clique, you will be ignored.

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